UFC Tonight From 04/10/12 Guys Talk Overeem Problems, Kenny Florian Goes Off On Cheaters

I don’t really get Florian’s argument. I realize that MMA is not like baseball; you aren’t just hitting a ball. You’re fighting in a cage! That sounds like all the more reason to use performance enhancers. If this is just about cheating as cheating, then you could make the same argument for everything that constitutes cheating. If this is about whether performance enhancers are appropriate, though, I don’t see why they aren’t. Vitamins and minerals are “performance enhancing”. Caffeine and DMAA are PE. SLEEP CALORIES are “performance enhancing”. This is such an arbitrary line. If a guy naturally has testosterone levels which are much higher than his opponent’s, we don’t penalize him for it. If someone is naturally 3x stronger than his opponent in the cage, when don’t penalize him for that either, but if he is those things because of the supplements he takes, we penalize him for that!? These are *weight* divisions. If a guy makes weight, I think that should be the only category that matters. Maybe we should make sure competitors’ biceps are within the limit for the 155 lb division…

kenny could have been champ with peds

@ aoprinciple yes. it is cage fighting. but were trying to get its image far away from that of the gladiator. if u want a cock fight, go to a bar. i dont want to see PEDs just like i dont want to see groin shots and eye gouging. so if u have that attitude, then you must want nut shots and fish hooks. whats next in aiding? do you want weapons next? go back to school

AOPrincipal sounds like he’s going through a bit of roid-rage there haha… but on a serious note, if you are good enough, you don’t need to take the illegal stuff. Stick to the vitamins and whatever like your worthy opponent.

AOPriciple probably idolizes Mark Maquire, Sammy Sosa, and Barry Bonds. It’s cheating idiot! Whether it’s Baseball, UFC, or Swimming! Period! Kenny’s 100% right. The only way to stop it (in any sport) is random drug testing. The difference between vitamins, minerals, and caffeine, is that those are legal! Next you’re going to say that sleep is performance enhancing because it helps you rest before a fight. You’re an idiot! BTW, weed is not a performance enhancer. Nick diaz should not be suspended for it. Keep random drug testing in all major sports! And guys like Mark Maguire’s home run record should not count! He broke the record while cheating, from a guy who didn’t cheat like 60 years before him. Ridiculous…

lol. At least I got a reaction…

@keyboardcowboy: PEs are not the same as fish-hooking and groin strikes. PEs are just that: performance enhancers. What performance they enhance is delimited by the rules of engagement. MMA is striking, grappling, etc… If this is the activity fighters engage in, then that’s the performance they enhance. They don’t by themselves lend toward any particular activity.

@LFCandUFC: Do you think any fighter wants to be “good enough”? I know what you mean, but fighters want to be the best they can be. PEs DO make you better. Also, when you’re not “good enough” to accomplish a certain feat, PEs can make up the difference. Using qualifiers like “worthy” and the like is just a reference to the rules as they stand. I’m not advocating cheating, I’m advocating reevaluating what counts as cheating from a legal standpoint.

@Common Sense: (I think you made that username up just to respond to me) I wish you’d bothered to read what I wrote. I know it’s cheating. Again, I’m saying the logic that makes PEs cheating isn’t very tight and is, in fact, arbitrary. I’m not for cheating. I thought that would have been relatively clear. lol… I never suggested marijuana was performance enhancing.

But man does it work.

@AOPrinciple: Bro you don’t get that. They are enhancers and enhancers…steroids give you too big of an advantage . Caffeine doesn’t…
And c’mon! Vitamins and minerals aren’t enhancers. They are nourishments…

@AOprinciple
The difference is all minerals and vitamins you can get them from eating food.I don’t think there’s anything natural on earth that you can eat and it gives you the ability to recover from training twice as fast,it just doesn’t exist.And don’t respond with food can be a performance enhancer.

Kenny is the man and Alistar is a f****** cheater, no other way to put it. 14-1 level increase WTF, If Kenny did half a cycle he would have won a belt, he will always be a champion to me though and New England. Looks like Brock really got f***** over.. Overeem was confident because the harder you get hit the more you wanna hit back in a fury. Jose Aldo needs to be tested, even I hate to say Wandi , the Brazilans are getting away with a lot of s*** imo.