Roots of Fight: Helio Gracie vs. Kimura – Mini Film

I’m definetly buying that shirt.

No, that’s not the definition of a warrior, a modern day samurai or fighter. To pick a fight that you know you’re going to lose is either stupid or just someone that want’s to test their skills. I’m thinking it’s the latter. Just don’t make it more than it is…

In the past, when one country decides to invade another country (aka picking a fight), they’re doing it because they believe they can win. What kind of General would send their troops to battle knowing they’ll lose.

Very cool!

,RONMAR
hey man 300 spartans,Spartakus,defenders o Jerusalem,300 aragvian, Hatsumoto (samurais) and etc ,etc

He is samurai = He is warrior = he did harakiri (sipuku)

Gracias Maestro Hellio

Nick Diaz’ balls must taste really good…I swear.

the Marines in the battle of Wake Island had a pretty good idea they were’nt gonna make it. They still fought and died for something greater.

Masahiko Kimura was a Judo champion, not a jujitsu fighter. I know the Gracies have a brand to promote but you have to give credit where it’s due.

Helio is definetly a warrior. Rener is not.

@ronmar
Dude u need to learn a lot of things about the sport… thing u don’t seem to understand is the word CHALLENGE the guy developped an art everyone underestimated in that time.. GM Helio Gracie knew that that art court sublime and get over all others but to perform and perfect it u need those challenge…
Rip Gran mestre

Ronmar is partially true. This is just bs. You challenged and you lost. Of course its easy to say this and that after the fact that you lost.. sign of a poor loser almost.. A true warrior just admits that he thought he was going to win but got beat.. None of this p**** s*** talk, “i knew i was going to lose i just wanted to try it out”. Don’t get me wrong, Helio is great and probably the best, but durring this match he got beat. Warriors don’t p**** talk.

Grand Pa Gracie and Old Man Lee were true Pioneers of Martial Arts – they’re probably in heaven right now exchanging ideas.

@ sacramento

AMEN BROTHER!!!

I believe that judo is a very effective martial art, but it is not so prevalence under these reasons

1)Real Good Judoka don’t usually end up in mma as they are dedicated to the art of judo except Ronda and Satoshi Ishii, Good judoka don’t usually do too shabby in mma
-Karo Parisyan-before he got all cracked up
-Fedor-(national champion in judo, as well as sambo)
-Rick Hawn-(he was doing good in bellator, until he was robbed of a decision)
-Satoshi Ishii-(was doing good until he thought he could outstrike fedor….LOL)
EXCEPTION: AKIYAMA
-he is a cheater in judo and mma
-he thinks he is such a brawler but he really isn’t hahaha

2)Competition-based judo don’t always focus on ne-waza,as it just seems more practical to get back to tachi-waza and get the Ippon, except for kodokan judokas(as they focus on the entire art of judo), Ronda Rousey, some Brazilian judokas

3)Difference in Philosophy between judo and mma
-Judo:technique DOMINATES strength, so i always ended up in a dominant position
-BJJ:technique OVERCOME strength,I practice being content at a not dominating position, so what other people sees as bad position is now my strength
Both great philosophy, but here is the difference

e.g fullguard

In Judo
Judo Guy on top:YES… I got an YUKKOU, or WAZA-ARI or even an Ippon

*time to stand back up OR let me advance my position to a more dominant position

Judo Guy on the bottom(assuming the guy on top didn’t get an ippon): it is better if i just stand up and try to get an Ippon

In BJJ
BJJ Guy on the bottom:YES…this is exactly where i want to be, I can do triangles, armbars,omoplata,gogoplata,Kimura, SUBMISSION moves i never even heard off….etc

It will be extremely dangerous for a good judoka to stay in the guard of a good BJJ practitioner, but a good BJJ practitioner cannot do much in a Yoko-shiho-gatame(side control-ish thing) of a good Judoka

While it seems more practical to be content about a bad position, as you always have to expect the worse in fighting; you won’t have to learn to be content with a bad position, if you always aim to make sure that you are in a more dominant position

*If you are showing no awareness of the effectiveness of the other arts, you shouldn’t even call yourself a martial artist, you are simply a man using your body as a weapon-ESPECIALLY JUDOKA, DO（道） of judo is the Tao of taoism, Kanō Jigorō believes that JUDO should be a way of life(or even beyond), that is why he changed the name from Kano Jiu-Jitsu to Judo…becuz jitsu(术） implies craft and purely physical, and Professor Kanō once said “his mission is beyond jitsu(术)”…and he took that believe to his heart, he opposed the Japanese military and that is what ultimately lead to his demise,So if any of you are going “judo trumps and sh*t on all other martial arts, every other martial arts are just bunch of useless garbage” you didn’t even learn judo at all

*I have great respect of BJJ practitioners, but sometimes i do feel the “way of gentle and respect” is maybe not so much emphasis(maybe i am wrong), they are great guys, just sometimes watching the Royce and Renzo give me the wrong idea
Royce
-choked a guy little longer while it was obvious
he tapped
-steroid to beat Sakuraba,7 years later
-no respect for other martial arts at all, e.g Matt Hughes’s wrestling
-Deny of losing to Yoshida

Renzo-usually nice guy
-But stepping over a guy’s head after Choking him out, that is pretty low

others are great like Roger Gracie, Demian Maia, just for a family that establish such a great martial arts those two just give it a bad name

That is why AKIYAMA is no judoka, he maybe a great judo practitioner; but the disrespect he shows by cheating proves that he never learn judo at all in the first place

Nice point miso-to-curry. I read you post. Even in our gym a lot has cross trained in Judo in other gym as Muay thai, boxing and BJJ are the only arts offered. They are top level as they have been winning in grappling as well. Nice to read those who really knows and knows what he is talking about especially the philosophy thing.