HomeGrappling Roots of Fight: Helio Gracie vs. Kimura – Mini Film Bruno March 5, 2012 Grappling 27 Comments Roots of Fight: Helio Gracie vs. Kimura – Mini Film. Amazon.com Widgets Roots of Fight T-shirt Tweet Pin It Jorge Masvidal Talks Move To Strikeforce And Gilbert Melendez Don Frye Talks About What’s Going On In His Life While At The 2012 Arnold Classic 27 Comments KungFuLowKick March 5, 2012 I’m definetly buying that shirt. Log in to Reply sins4given March 5, 2012 That’s a true warrior. Go out to fight. GSP and Carlos Condit should learn from this. One dry humps and the other ran away for diaz the entire fight. Log in to Reply ronmar March 5, 2012 No, that’s not the definition of a warrior, a modern day samurai or fighter. To pick a fight that you know you’re going to lose is either stupid or just someone that want’s to test their skills. I’m thinking it’s the latter. Just don’t make it more than it is… In the past, when one country decides to invade another country (aka picking a fight), they’re doing it because they believe they can win. What kind of General would send their troops to battle knowing they’ll lose. Log in to Reply sandro.s March 5, 2012 “I’m definetly buying that shirt.” me too!!! Log in to Reply jrhodes March 5, 2012 Very cool! Log in to Reply dankarelli March 5, 2012 hey sins4given, get a life already. seriously. Log in to Reply goro March 5, 2012 ,RONMAR hey man 300 spartans,Spartakus,defenders o Jerusalem,300 aragvian, Hatsumoto (samurais) and etc ,etc He is samurai = He is warrior = he did harakiri (sipuku) Gracias Maestro Hellio Log in to Reply jakelo March 5, 2012 this is how you sale a t-shirt ! Log in to Reply sticky March 5, 2012 Nick Diaz’ balls must taste really good…I swear. Log in to Reply Sephy March 5, 2012 Carlos has one performance where he had a technical game plan and everyone bitches and forgets that the majority of his fights are very entertaining.. Some people are jackasses.. Log in to Reply chicken legs lion heart March 5, 2012 the Marines in the battle of Wake Island had a pretty good idea they were’nt gonna make it. They still fought and died for something greater. Log in to Reply straightAhead March 6, 2012 What is interesting to me is that we never hear or see much of the video of Helio defeating Kimura’s student in the previous match. Also, if Kimura set the rule that if Helio could last with him more than 3 min then Helio is the winner then obviously Helio won that match Log in to Reply Sacramento Fan March 6, 2012 Masahiko Kimura was a Judo champion, not a jujitsu fighter. I know the Gracies have a brand to promote but you have to give credit where it’s due. Log in to Reply Savage March 6, 2012 @ronmar you just dont get it man Log in to Reply Beiberhole69 March 6, 2012 Helio is definetly a warrior. Rener is not. Log in to Reply wow March 6, 2012 amen to that, that shirt is now on order Log in to Reply donradikal March 6, 2012 @ronmar Dude u need to learn a lot of things about the sport… thing u don’t seem to understand is the word CHALLENGE the guy developped an art everyone underestimated in that time.. GM Helio Gracie knew that that art court sublime and get over all others but to perform and perfect it u need those challenge… Rip Gran mestre Log in to Reply kodokanjudo March 6, 2012 kimura could have killed him what a child like man 5’7 84 kg heilo 180cm about 6 and he was 80kg well lol we know whats better judo more technical Log in to Reply dub March 6, 2012 Ronmar is partially true. This is just bs. You challenged and you lost. Of course its easy to say this and that after the fact that you lost.. sign of a poor loser almost.. A true warrior just admits that he thought he was going to win but got beat.. None of this ***** shit talk, “i knew i was going to lose i just wanted to try it out”. Don’t get me wrong, Helio is great and probably the best, but durring this match he got beat. Warriors don’t ***** talk. Log in to Reply KungFuLowKick March 6, 2012 @kodokanjudo I almost didnt understood anything you said but from what I understood you are saying Judo is better and more technical then Brazilian Jiu jitsu??How come we se MANY BJJ fighters in MMA and VERY FEW judo fighters?? Log in to Reply Rick Dizzle March 7, 2012 Grand Pa Gracie and Old Man Lee were true Pioneers of Martial Arts – they’re probably in heaven right now exchanging ideas. Log in to Reply Sacramento Fan March 7, 2012 @ KungFu I’m not Kodanjudo but I’ll take a shot at answering your question: Limits on slams is probably the biggest handicap Judo carries in MMA. Allow fighters to spike their opponents onto their head and you’d start seeing more Judo throws and KO’s via Uchi Mata & Seoi Nage. BJJ is literally Judo reworked to focus on the ground game. Helio created BJJ based on the Judo he knew but he refined and improved guard positions and transitions. Since MMA rules favor submissions over throws (for fighter safety) the emphasis BJJ puts on ground fighting is a better grappling base for most MMA fighters. I hate it when people insist one or the other is “more technical” because it really a matter of which part of the game we’re we talking about. In general, Judo has more technical throws, BJJ has a more technical guard, but high level players in either can put your ass or take your arm home at will. Log in to Reply donradikal March 7, 2012 @ sacramento AMEN BROTHER!!! 😉 Log in to Reply PitfighterZ March 7, 2012 @Sacramento Fan: You can apply that to many other martial arts. The rule set give advantages to different arts. When the Gracies adapted vale-tudo rules to the UFC, they had a few grappling advantages inserted in there. In Japan, they had a lot of rules against strikers in the beginning, which were reduced in Pride, but the whole limitation on what to strike with, when to strike, and how to strike were a main incentive to get American wrestlers to join MMA. Thank you for your post! Thank you for Log in to Reply miso-to-curry March 8, 2012 I believe that judo is a very effective martial art, but it is not so prevalence under these reasons 1)Real Good Judoka don’t usually end up in mma as they are dedicated to the art of judo except Ronda and Satoshi Ishii, Good judoka don’t usually do too shabby in mma -Karo Parisyan-before he got all cracked up -Fedor-(national champion in judo, as well as sambo) -Rick Hawn-(he was doing good in bellator, until he was robbed of a decision) -Satoshi Ishii-(was doing good until he thought he could outstrike fedor….LOL) EXCEPTION: AKIYAMA -he is a cheater in judo and mma -he thinks he is such a brawler but he really isn’t hahaha 2)Competition-based judo don’t always focus on ne-waza,as it just seems more practical to get back to tachi-waza and get the Ippon, except for kodokan judokas(as they focus on the entire art of judo), Ronda Rousey, some Brazilian judokas 3)Difference in Philosophy between judo and mma -Judo:technique DOMINATES strength, so i always ended up in a dominant position -BJJ:technique OVERCOME strength,I practice being content at a not dominating position, so what other people sees as bad position is now my strength Both great philosophy, but here is the difference e.g fullguard In Judo Judo Guy on top:YES… I got an YUKKOU, or WAZA-ARI or even an Ippon *time to stand back up OR let me advance my position to a more dominant position Judo Guy on the bottom(assuming the guy on top didn’t get an ippon): it is better if i just stand up and try to get an Ippon In BJJ BJJ Guy on the bottom:YES…this is exactly where i want to be, I can do triangles, armbars,omoplata,gogoplata,Kimura, SUBMISSION moves i never even heard off….etc It will be extremely dangerous for a good judoka to stay in the guard of a good BJJ practitioner, but a good BJJ practitioner cannot do much in a Yoko-shiho-gatame(side control-ish thing) of a good Judoka While it seems more practical to be content about a bad position, as you always have to expect the worse in fighting; you won’t have to learn to be content with a bad position, if you always aim to make sure that you are in a more dominant position *If you are showing no awareness of the effectiveness of the other arts, you shouldn’t even call yourself a martial artist, you are simply a man using your body as a weapon-ESPECIALLY JUDOKA, DO（道） of judo is the Tao of taoism, Kanō Jigorō believes that JUDO should be a way of life(or even beyond), that is why he changed the name from Kano Jiu-Jitsu to Judo…becuz jitsu(术） implies craft and purely physical, and Professor Kanō once said “his mission is beyond jitsu(术)”…and he took that believe to his heart, he opposed the Japanese military and that is what ultimately lead to his demise,So if any of you are going “judo trumps and sh*t on all other martial arts, every other martial arts are just bunch of useless garbage” you didn’t even learn judo at all *I have great respect of BJJ practitioners, but sometimes i do feel the “way of gentle and respect” is maybe not so much emphasis(maybe i am wrong), they are great guys, just sometimes watching the Royce and Renzo give me the wrong idea Royce -choked a guy little longer while it was obvious he tapped -steroid to beat Sakuraba,7 years later -no respect for other martial arts at all, e.g Matt Hughes’s wrestling -Deny of losing to Yoshida Renzo-usually nice guy -But stepping over a guy’s head after Choking him out, that is pretty low others are great like Roger Gracie, Demian Maia, just for a family that establish such a great martial arts those two just give it a bad name That is why AKIYAMA is no judoka, he maybe a great judo practitioner; but the disrespect he shows by cheating proves that he never learn judo at all in the first place Log in to Reply ^LiverKick^ March 9, 2012 @miso-to-curry Who the **** is going to read a post that long….NOBODY Log in to Reply Phil_BJJ March 25, 2012 Nice point miso-to-curry. I read you post. Even in our gym a lot has cross trained in Judo in other gym as Muay thai, boxing and BJJ are the only arts offered. They are top level as they have been winning in grappling as well. Nice to read those who really knows and knows what he is talking about especially the philosophy thing. Log in to Reply Leave a Reply Cancel reply You must be logged in to post a comment.