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conj Says, in 4-6-2012 at 10:42:33 from 85.180.126.142    

thats Rener and Ryron not Ralek… important information though.

Bruno:Doh! Fixed.

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KungFuLowKick Says, in 4-6-2012 at 10:51:55 from 24.212.44.131    

I’ve grappled in my living room with my buddies so many times I can’t even count.I even bought a mat that fits in my living room.And only once somebody went out because he told me all this crap(sumbission grappling) doesn’t work.So I got the triangle,he didn’t tapped,I felt he become limp and let the choke go.It was the only time somebody went out and it’s because he was too stupid to tap.Of course we were not dumb WWE fans grappling either.I blame stupidity for that death.1st in wrastling.they always fake the submissions,especially the chokes so the guys don’t pass outy and they get to act like dramatic ididots liftling their arms to show they are ok.So these 2 thought it was the same,that it took 1 minutes to choke someboody out like in the WWE.Ididots…

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steptof Says, in 4-6-2012 at 10:53:56 from 96.31.162.253    

s*** just got real

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KungFuLowKick Says, in 4-6-2012 at 10:59:30 from 24.212.44.131    

Idiots*

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Swordsmansmith Says, in 4-6-2012 at 11:30:02 from 174.237.68.227    

Kids do dumb things when parents dont teach them the difference between reality and fake.

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da_wakka Says, in 4-6-2012 at 11:40:17 from 24.251.93.54    

@KungFu Cool story bro

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SEAN_VANCE Says, in 4-6-2012 at 12:33:15 from 75.74.182.24    

That sucks….Im actually surprised that no more deaths have occurred with some many dumb ass people out there…

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JoAnna Says, in 4-6-2012 at 13:06:31 from 97.102.254.31    

This kind of tragedy occurs when these young guys do these dangerous moves without the proper training. Very sad.

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d_frost Says, in 4-6-2012 at 13:18:34 from 71.179.14.82    

I’m not saying this to be insensitive, but i’m glad this happened during a WWE event and not MMA because that would have set back MMA so much

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Roe Jogan Says, in 4-6-2012 at 13:30:07 from 69.178.146.114    

Wrestlmania…. well that explains a lot.

It’s sad it happens. Properly trained kids with BJJ are very safe. While the rear naked, triangle (no head pull down), cross choke, and a few others are allowed, they do not allow guillotine chokes until they are 14+. It’s too dangerous.

These guys clearly had no training. RIP Stephen.

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Lando Says, in 4-6-2012 at 13:37:13 from 71.240.254.218    

I choked out Chuck Norris for 3 minutes once when he was sleeping and it just woke the f***** up.

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SaoNi Says, in 4-6-2012 at 14:03:52 from 178.116.63.152    

I can’t judge… I’m sorry folks, guess i was one of those dumb asses who practices outside the gym.
Too bad something like that had to happen to make me realize how risky it can be…
Still don’t feel like quiting it as i’m to slow of a learner to just learn in the classes.
Wouldn’t be bad to put some rule like “only roll with at least three people in the room” so at least one person can watch just to be safe…
I tell you what though, noone ever got choked or really hurt out here and it wasn’t ’cause we’re so tallented…

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A lost art, wrestling Says, in 4-6-2012 at 17:30:07 from 99.64.59.240    

Yeah ok KungfuLowkick, first off you did exactly what this video warns of, and second, a lot of the moves you see in the WWE are real holds, simulated from catch wrestling, which is very real. Real wrestling(not scholastic, which is dumbed down for safety) has been around for centuries, and is very real, works, and many consider it better that jitz. I would personally love to break all your limbs and submit you with a simple chicken wing, can opener, or whatever while you try and use your jitz unsuccessfully.

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A lost art, wrestling Says, in 4-6-2012 at 17:32:11 from 99.64.59.240    

Oh and why don’t you see but a few people use catch wrestling in MMA? Because most moves are too dangerous for an opponent, hence too effective, and illegal.

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Hanabahn Says, in 4-6-2012 at 17:44:03 from 71.22.60.164    

These guys are a class act. The best. We need more people in the world like them.

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Common Sense! Says, in 4-6-2012 at 21:43:39 from 74.164.29.47    

I’m just glad it happened during a Wrestlemania get together, and not a UFC! They would’ve blamed it on the UFC and brought so much stupid negativity to the sport, wanting to ban it (again), etc…

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KungFuLowKick Says, in 4-7-2012 at 00:28:35 from 24.212.44.131    

@A lost art, wrestling
By wrastling I meant WWE.In the WWE the holds aren’t put correctly so the guys don’t get hurt.Thats what I was saying.I know wrestling is real.I’ doing sumbission grappling for almost 5 years now I think I know what I’m doing.You are just too pent-up that you can’t read correctly.And almost everytime we rolled it was with my buddies who did some judo or some guys I train with.You could try to submit me but i doubt you would with a chicken wing or a can opener.

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baller Says, in 4-7-2012 at 05:41:47 from 75.150.236.174    

good video guy on the right is so knowlegble

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canguy Says, in 4-7-2012 at 09:00:09 from 76.65.162.254    

If big john did a slightly worse job Machida would have been in touble.

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VisionQuest Says, in 4-7-2012 at 11:37:35 from 66.68.150.251    

30-45 seconds??? Kid goes limp….kid goes dead, his f***** brain died….

This kid had to want to kill his older cousin.

My bro after training showed me the effectiveness of chokes that I never experienced in non-submission wrestling.

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DeLaSeoul87 Says, in 4-7-2012 at 12:25:35 from 69.14.17.164    

Rear Naked Choke (RNC) Footnotes:

+ A proper RNC will render a person unconscious within 7-10 seconds by restricting the blood flow to the brain – NOT the air flow to the lungs. A person will continue to breath even while the choke is being applied (a choke as opposed to a strangle cuts off the blood supply – not the air supply).

+ A person will continue to breath after they have passed out – breathing is an automatic bodily function. Breathing and chest movement is NOT a good indicator of whether a person is unconscious.

+ An unconscious person can still retain tension and rigidity within their muscles – an unconscious person does NOT automatically go limp. As such, muscle rigidity (e.g. a hand grabbing an arm to defend the choke) is NOT a good indicator of whether a person is unconscious.

+ Ocular fixation is a symptom of unconsciousness – the eyes remain open and fixed on a point in space, they do not track motion.

+ The Rule of 10: If you are applying a RNC and the person does not tap out within 10 seconds – release the choke. This is because either the choke is not being applied properly, or they have lost consciousness and cannot tap.

+ Know how to tap: You can tap with your hands OR your feet (especially important if your hands are entangled)! Always tap more than twice (preferably 3 or more times with emphasis) to ensure that the person applying the choke notices. You can tap on the person’s body OR on the mat. There is no shame in tapping. Every black belt has tapped thousands of times in training.

+ Have fun and be safe. You should be training to learn, and not to injure. That means looking out for your partner, and your partner looking out for you.

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Buckethead Says, in 4-9-2012 at 12:33:13 from 142.176.83.218    

where’s the escapes?

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