HomeFight Shows · Fighter Talk MMA Newsmakers Show – Semmy Schilt Retires From Fighting, Tim Kennedy Slams UFC Fighter Pay Bruno June 29, 2013 Fight Shows, Fighter Talk 23 Comments Semmy Schilt retiring from combat sports at 39 due to heart condition and Tim Kennedy voicing issues with UFC fighter pay on MMA Newsmakers. Tweet Pin It Tags:MMA Newsmakers GWC 1: The British Invasion Results & Discussions Best Of The MMA Hour With Royce Gracie, Rampage Jackson And Much More 23 Comments shocktime June 29, 2013 The fighters are the business. They have more control than they think. Microsoft tried to bully gamers with their new XBOX ONE by restricting the sell, trade and reuse of used games. We told them to to screw themselves. The mas majority were going to go buy PS4. Microsoft was feeling the Heat from consumers and soon (less than a week) after they changed their minds. Games can be used, traded, an sold like it has been for the last 30 years. The UFC cannot have all the best fighters or they will become a monopoly. As fans we all win, but the fighters will be getting screwed. Time for more big name fighters to jump ship and go elsewhere. Log in to Reply dragoman June 29, 2013 robin black needs to go Log in to Reply Tear June 29, 2013 I Agree with dragoman. If bottom tier fighters were paid a bit more, they could train better and fight better and everyone would be happy. Log in to Reply djcincy June 29, 2013 Did you really just compare a consumer product to a sport? Give me a break dude your entire logic is so flawed. Most of these guys don’t have a fall back career and without MMA they would be working construction. They are not going to say they don’t make enough money even if they are underpaid because they can’t risk losing their job. As far as your theory about UFC being a monopoly; I hate to point out yet another fail, but they are a Monopoly. 95% of people who watch MMA only watch the UFC and while their are smaller shows the amount of money the UFC makes is astronomically larger. In the end of the day UFC is a business and like every business in America the guys on top gorge the rest of the company. Arguing about it will solve nothing because we live in a country where presidential campaigns reach 500 million dollars and we have families on the streets. Log in to Reply rampagin June 30, 2013 I agree with shocktime. Log in to Reply shocktime June 30, 2013 Id also like to point out I’d could truly careless. Because I’d would willingly fight Anderson Silva for 10K cash. But if I were a fighter I’d be doing something about it. They need a union. Log in to Reply Johnny2nuts June 30, 2013 Hey im only taking home 40k this year and have to pay 25k on bills!! What gives? You mean i dont get all my life essentials for free? Shut up tim kennedy Log in to Reply bleeat! June 30, 2013 is shocktime an idiot or what? gaming wtf? shows the followers that bruno has. shocktime is the type of person who supports amatuer fighting(womens mma) on the main card and expects people to pay for that crap. shocktime said ufc cant have all the best fighters or they become a monoply… but they do …IMO ufc has monopolized MMA they bought out the company’s that could compete with them.now they’re doing what microsoft is doing and blaming others when they themselves built the Infrastructure of what mma rules and stuff should be in america. UFC is the word for MMA now and wont change.they have taken over, what can we do? Log in to Reply Twana June 30, 2013 It’s a pity that someone like dana white can continue rob these fighter….and no one can stand up and stop this shame. Log in to Reply greengiant June 30, 2013 @djcincy and bleeat! Since you simple minded fools can’t figure it out I will explain. He was basically saying if everyone comes together then we the people are more powerful then any company or government. If all the ufc fighters said we are jumping ship unless,the ufc would definitely listen. Log in to Reply Ozinator June 30, 2013 @johnny2nuts, slaves getting mad at other slaves. crabs in a bucket. The difference however is that though you are being exploited at your job, it is no where near how exploited Kennedy is being exploited,i.e., The amount the fighters make for the UFC is WAY more than you make for your pimp. Add to that you can keep hoeing away at your cubicle, factory, massage parlor and won’t need to be replaced until your diabetes settles in at age 50. Tim Kennedy can get discarded next fight before he’s sent to your hell with nothing to show for the profits he made Uncle Dana. Welcome to Capitalism Log in to Reply FailSonnen June 30, 2013 Matt Brown is one tough dude but he’s a bit delusional if he thinks he can “destroy GSP”, since he admitted being knocked out twice by Wonderboy Thompson, who is sort of a protege of GSP, even though he won. So that would imply that he’d have an easier time beating GSP than Wonderboy, meanwhile GSP is on another level than Wonderboy.. Log in to Reply NotVinnieJones June 30, 2013 Yes, welcome to Capitalism. In a capitalist economy, people get to choose for themselves what field of work they will go into. Some people become doctors while others flip burgers. Many people choose to further their education because flipping burgers pretty much guarantees a life of poverty. Now, if a person chooses to attempt to make a lucrative career out of MMA fighting, they understand that it can be a long, difficult road. They also understand that the UFC has a reputation for underpaying fighters. But yet they choose that career path. There are no guarantees that it will pan out. And it doesn’t for many fighters. I understand that other people feel that all fighters should practically be paid millions by the UFC the moment they sign that contract. But to me, they know what that career path may or may not bring. Bottom line is, if someone doesn’t want to end up in a situation where they may be unhappy with the pay that the career path they chose is providing to them, then choose a career path that will pay more. In other words, a fighter may complain about the money, but no one is holding a gun to their head and forcing them to take a career path of an MMA fighter. Its the career path they chose, and they know there is no guarantee they will hit the big time. I don’t know what else to say regarding people who want the UFC fighters to get paid more. Maybe during your next UFC party when you see a fighter that you would want to get more money, pass the hat, take the money collected, stuff it into an envelope, and mail it to him. Log in to Reply dondondon June 30, 2013 The average pay is what concerns me given how much the UFC makes, which is in the billions. Do only top tier guys make them the billions? Not in my opinion because if a card is broken down it is easily the less paid fighters who put more on the line for a lot less that make the best fight sometimes. These fighters fight for their lives but they shouldn’t have to literally. It’s like Dana met with some sports psychologists and determined a good fighter is a hungry fighter. Sad thing is dana makes me want to punch him in the face when he compares fighters from strikeforce to ufc by saying “they are hungrier” and its almost like he means that literally. The UFC is having a hard time getting MMA legalised in NY because of the Culinary Union protest over UFC’s Fertitas own casinos whose policy is to disallow unions, therefore, controlling pay scale and keeping workers pay to a minimum. As an mma fan, I am with them. Screw the UFC for screwing their workers. Log in to Reply Stan King July 1, 2013 It’s all a matter of scale. The minimum salaries in the NFL and MLB etc are higher because the league and team revenues are so much higher. The UFC makes good money, but they have huge bills to pay too. It isn’t like putting on the event is free. It isn’t like they get every dollar from the pay per view. It isn’t like those advertisements are free. When the UFC is making even what an average NFL team makes, maybe we should be harping on the fighters to make closer to league minimum. For now, these guys pay to play, and fighting is only a full time job if you can cut it at the top of the heap. Otherwise, get some sponsors. Or leverage some more money. Or, maybe you should have played Little League like your dad wanted you to. Log in to Reply Ozinator July 1, 2013 NotVinnie, You are selling the “freedom” lie. In fact, that argument was created by a union of sorts if you consider how wealth is consolidated and how that message is funded and sold to you through politicians and pundits. The only people who are not allowed to organize under this message are the vast majority….the working class and the poor – who make up 70 percent of the population. The amazing part of this lie is that it has worked so well that the exploited think they have a gift of freedom to choose which employer to starve under. Log in to Reply NotVinnieJones July 1, 2013 Well, if you have already decided for yourself that you are going to be a working class citizen who works under “the man” then for you that is a self-fulfilling prophecy that makes this “lie” believable to you and the reality you created for yourself. No one in this country is condemned or forced to work as an employee for someone else. And, again, no one is holding a gun to any of these fighter’s heads and forcing them into a career of an MMA fighter. If you can provide sufficient evidence to the contrary then you will have credibility behind your words. As far as what the fighters get paid, I agree that it is low. But as commenters on an internet site, posting complaints about it does nothing to change that. NOTHING. Maybe you can boycott the UFC but if you aren’t buying it in the first place then you can’t really make a point by refusing to buy it in the future, right? I believe that unless you have a valid plan of action to correct something, you shouldn’t complain. And complaining and saying “Dana should do this or that” on an internet site isn’t a valid plan of action. So either go and make an actual effort to remedy the issue by going out and making the necessary arrangements to start a union for the fighters so they can get higher pay or, since it is the amount of pay you are worried about, send them money. What is the more realistic endeavor that you as an individual can do to raise figher pay? Posting on the net does nothing. Forming a union for them…I’m guessing no one on here is going to do that. So the only thing left over is to send them your own money. Heck, if you watch the PPV fights here on MMATKO, take $50 out of your pocket and send some to each fighter on the card. That way you are cutting out the UFC altogether and paying the fighters directly. If enough people around the world do that, problem solved! Log in to Reply Ozinator July 1, 2013 Who I am has nothing to do with truth but to entertain your ad hominem, there are PLENTY high paid academia (management) representatives and ruler class types who say what I’m saying. My views or particular complicity takes nothing away from what I’m telling you. Yes, people really are forced to work as employees to others but you are missing how that happens because you are offering a literal “gun to the head” as your only understanding of slavery, while missing the organized oppression disguised as freedom. Don’t worry about hypocrisy..it’s not like recognizing it changes reality. Warren Buffet sees reality and would agree with everything I’ve said and in fact has said as much. Log in to Reply KungFuLowKick July 2, 2013 Matt,you can’t knock out GSP from your back and you surely will never submit him. Log in to Reply NotVinnieJones July 2, 2013 Of course Warren Buffet is going to see the world differently, the guy is worth like $60 billion dollars!! Understanding his points of view on how he sees the world isn’t the same as actually seeing the world through his eyes. Him and the rest of the wealthy powerful elite of the world are going to have a view of the masses of the world through eyes that you nor I could ever hope to imagine, so don’t try and make like you have some special insight to the world that only you, Warren Buffet, and the powerful elite of the world share. You are trying to make this point that the public, as a whole, are slaves who are too blind to realize it. But with your such clear understanding of the “system” you can see the truth of how the world is. And that perception you have has shown you that MMA fighters are no more than slaves to the establishment. On the other hand, I’m saying that there is no court order, law, or evil monster that says that you, some MMA fighter, or that guy on the street can’t go to college and go on to having a lucrative career in life. I don’t remember in history where any slaves had that option. But no, you instead feel the need to attempt to take the point of view that Warren Buffet has regarding people in society as a whole. But like I said, he and his kind are going to see the world differently. Those people like Buffet see the world in an economic sense and they refer to the masses in terms of their place in the economic structure. Its akin to how a general regards soldiers in a military sense when it comes to their role in the creation and implementation of regiments and battalions. But, hey, if you want to continue reading all the Illuminati theories that is found on the web that claims that the masses are only here to serve and make the wealthy elite even more wealthy, knock yourself out. Meanwhile, I’ll be spending my weekend going to the lake, grilling out, knocking back some cold ones, and watching UFC 162 on Saturday under the stars. Damn, its tough being a slave!! Log in to Reply Ozinator July 3, 2013 Though simply speaking, you are simply speaking… I too love lakes BBQ and MMA! Though more through alcohol/health management (not Russian Communism), I refuse beer and instead drink vodka. And as a closer if you think I’m funny… You understand that slavery -even in the brutal chattel variety of American/African slavery- was best practiced by getting slaves to think they had it good? It wasn’t about psychotic laughing and pointing guns to heads…it was about getting returns on investments,i.e., capitalism. Test those doors and windows, son! Log in to Reply NotVinnieJones July 3, 2013 Yeah, I do think you are funny. If you actually think that whipping, splitting up families by selling members at auction, and all the other atrocities that African Americans endured during the slavery period in American history had them thinking they had it good, yes, you are hilarious! Try convincing the UFC fighters that they are slaves since it is them that you are implying are slaves. “You are literally slaves but you just can’t see it”. In YOUR mind they may be slaves, but I doubt that Chris Leben or Brian Stann are looking for connections to get them to the Underground Railroad so they can escape the “oppression” that the UFC is being forced onto them. Is Warren Buffet a reptillian, too? Log in to Reply Ozinator July 4, 2013 Though you are attacking a straw man, I don’t think you are a sophist, you just have the annoying confidence of the clever ignorant. Answering your “if” lends credit to your dumb distraction but at least there is humor to be mined from it. As I mentioned, the variety of slavery that USica employed on Africans (not to mention Indigenous Peoples) was more brutal than other historical varieties that get lumped with it. The straw man is that I never said or implied African slaves were whipped and separated to convince them that they had it good. The problem here though isn’t sophistry, you are just unable to understand what is being said to you. The horrible not-funny outcome of this conversation is that you will walk away- self convinced- you are am honorary humanist. Log in to Reply Leave a Reply Cancel reply You must be logged in to post a comment.