
Chris Leben Vs. Michael Bisping MMA fight video from The Ultimate Fighting Championship’s UFC 89 event in Birmingham, England.
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boring fight..
Leben made Bisping look bad, these ufc commentators don’t even mention the fact that Bisping ran the entire fight. This is all we got to look forward to with the ufc, a bunch of hype and evasive boring fights!
It’s hard to argue with a unanimous decision but if I was one of the judges, it wouldn’t have been unanimous. I don’t know how you can call a fight for a guy who walked backward for fifteen minutes.
Jason
wat are u talking about, this fight was crazy
pfff Bisping ran away from Leben for 15 minutes. I can’t wait for Anderson Silva to Knock this cunt out.
I expected that comment to be from Black Gerbil. I was wrong.
Great technical fight.
my thoughts exactly
wow…
bisping performed the lyoto machina bitch tactic, run a fucking marathon backwards while landing a few punches once every blue moon and hope for the fucking decision.
what a bitch, he even said his plan was to get a decision at the end of the fight.
Bisping was so afraid of getting knocked out… looked very tense and jittery at times. I felt nervous just watching him because I had so much money on Bisping.
Leben fought a great first round. He should have kept up with the leg kicks which were landing crisp.
Not really. Lots of pretty good action. Probably best fight of the night. Maybe EliteXc is more your speed, heet.
also.
yes, you could say it’s fighting smart and blah blah blah, but seriously, if every fighter fought this way, mma would fucking die in a year.
Are we watching MMA or point matches. I am sick and tired of these cowards that keep backing off and countering. What happened to the warriors/the lytle /taylor fight was the best of the night. It’s great to have a game plan but leban just kept moving forward and bisping just kept sticking his jab out…boring. it reminds me how lennox lewis used to fight..just a tech fight. there are always ways of doing things just to get the win, but in the end fans want to see two warriors battling and fighting with heart.
i have more respect for the way leban fought and lost than to win like that. I think leban has grown up allot. he not that punk that was on ufc show. Great job leban ..keep it up bro
What’s starnes doing fighting leben? I thought they kicked starnes out the ufc. Leben came to bang!! Starnes was more technical, but still did what starnes likes to do. I don’t blame leben for doing what he did at the end, I mean nate did it to.
boring? no, but I expected more. Liben has an iron jaw.
If u look at Leben’s face, Bisping wasn’t just running. Common, he fucked the dude up.
liben could only win by knocking bisping out in europe same as matt hammill. i can’t wait to see silva tear his head off.
bisping’s head that is
Who would have thought that Bisping would get a UNANIMOUS decision in ENGLAND? I’m shocked…
aaand the Bisping haters continue hating..I didn’t find the fight that boring..I found the vera/jardine fight boring becuz I remember Vera’s fights at hw were definitely not boring. I found Bisping’s “evasiveness” and counter-punching MUCH more exciting that Lyoto UD Machida..who fights that way against ALL guys, even if they don’t have knockout power! (Which Leben obviously does, and hence Bisping’s gameplan)
This fight was like watching a boxing match that didn’t mean shit. Leben was the aggerssor, but still loss to Dana’s UK bitch. Please Dana will you let Bisping fight Marquart? Please? That’s what I thought. Nate would kill your UK pussy.
Bisbing won by points. Leben looked good. Angles and moving are allowed and recommended in MMA fights… it just comes down to tactics and styles… most of yall… just go watch some backyard fights and stop being an MMA fan, you make me look bad. lol
lame fight, lame rules, I would have disqualified Bisping.
I had Leban 2 rounds..
watch the cage behind you bisping…you keep running away you gonna keep crashing on it. fucking commentators “bisping looked fresh the entire fight”. cuz the pussy was running. thank you leben for pressing the action and making it interesting.
About what I expected.
what would you do if you were in bispings place??? he totally respects lebens power thats why hes backing away all the time. he knows that if he gets hit with that left hand lights out for him. hes gameplan might be boring but thats the way it goes. sometimes you see amazing fight sometimes you dont.
amen.
This was the first seriously suspect judge fix’d fight i have ever seen with UFC. Bisping seem to know that if he was standing at the end he’d win. Leben dominated this bout and by dominating ring and keeping Bisping on his heels backing up and running the parameter of the ring. The comment that Bisping was making Leben pay by charging … please ! This fight wasn’t scored by the judges correctly … it was already determined. Lebens comment at the end that Bisping dancing run to escape won this fight. Was also my final analysis. Held anywhere else that fight would not have been called that way.
It doesnt matter what bisping does. The American haters will always hate!!
hey i’m from england but i think leben looks alright on this one. i realy thought bisping would win by TKO but he didnt even rocked leben. i think bisping was just trying to do everything just not to loss the fight or get KO cause it’d be much more embarrasing to get KO or TKO in your own country. so i dont blame bisping if he pussy down abit hehehehe. anyway i like leben on this fight i mean he entertains me
Damn i hate how UFC fighters try to win on points. Owww Pride, those were the years.
I enjoyed the fight a lot. It was tactical and Bisping clearly won all three rounds. It’ not about who can stand still and knock the other opponent out. You can fight a smart fight which is what Bisping did, he was faster, more accurate and was landing more. Grow up kids and stop watching backyard retarded fights.
Bisping V Silva next!!!
He will be the first UK UFC champ!
some of you need to fuck off and watch street fighting. intelligent mma aint for you.
Why is everyone mentioning Anderson Silva already? Bisping hasn’t fought anyone at 185 anywhere near the top 10..let him fight Okami or Marquardt or Dan Henderson or even Jason McDonald, and if he wins against this level of opponent then and only then mention the spider..Bisping is a LONG LONG way from a title shot…
It’s funny listening to all the kids here bitch about this style of fighting. It’s a sports, it’s a strategy, deal with it. If you actually watch the fight and not just whine about it you’ll see that for the most part Bisping took Leben apart. Bisping learned the timing he needed and landed a lot more clean shots to Leben’s broken and blooded face. If you only want fights where guys stand still and punch then go watch Kimbo’s street fights, it’ll be a lot more satisfying for you MMA posers. This isn’t a pro Leben or Pro Bisping post, and a Pro MMA post kids.
How can guys say leben looked good? Just because he kept walking forward and threw a few kicks? It did nothing to help him, he could not land shots and bisping made his face look terrible from “ALL” the shots landed. ANyone who looks at the fight can see he landed many more punches than “once in a blue moon”. Why would you stand in there and “street fight” when you actually have skills that allow you to be a precise striker?
Maybe MMA is not for you guys, thats what it’s about. But you can search Kimbo Slice on you tube and get your fix.
I think the root of the matter here is that Leben has that iron jaw. Bisping did take him apart really well and the only reason he kept moving back and countering was because Leben kept coming forward, we’ve seen from all of Leben’s other fights that he is a banger, an in the pocket brawler. Why would Bisping voluntarily give Leben the advantage by going toe to toe with him and slug it out? If Bisping had sensed any weakness in Leben during his moving and countering he would have turned it around and pushed forward but that never happened, due to Leben’s sheer toughness. If this fight had gone on for another ten minutes Leben would have eventually broken down and I think we would have seen Bisping push the fight forward as his shots became more and more damaging.
Here’s something though, what do you think Leben was thinking dropping his hands at the end of the rounds and just eating shots like a suicidal teenager?
Leben looked like a 1 dimensional fighter. When his looping, amateur-like punches failed to land, he became a punching bag. If Leben had more skill, then he could have cut the ring off and made Bisbing fight his game, but he didn’t because he couldn’t. Same thing with Ortiz and Machida: if Ortiz wasn’t such a 1 dimensional meathead, then could have taken Machida out of his game, and Ortiz could have forced his own game on Machida. Once again, he didn’t because he couldn’t.
tactical fight whateverrrrrrrrrrr…. more to me than afraid to get knock the ffffff ouut bispin and lioto will lose fans and no one will pay for a ppv to see bispin or machida ….runing backward is gay moving side to side and looking for openin is tactics
no man, trust me, if every fighter had this mentallity about every single other fighter, if every fight was like this one, trust me, UFC would go to shit in about a year, believe it or not, this is entertainment business.
also, the only reason this fight was slightly amusing is because leben was trying to actually fight, if he changed his style and tried to counter a douchebag who doesnt throw a punch first, then a dominos match would actually be more entertaining.
Ok for all the guys who are sitting up on their clouds, passing judgment on all the people saying the fight was boring all i have to ask is, what kind of fights do you like to watch. Ones where Michael “will never loose in england not even if Hamill kicks his ass in a boxing match” Bisping dance around an opponent instead of just standing and banging, or one where Chris Leben is just in the middle of the ring, like he was with Terry Martin, dropping bombs.
I find Michael Bisping to be very over hyped and lack any power what so ever. After watching that fight Leben might have looked beat up, but it sure didnt feel like he was. all he wanted the entire fight was for bisping to stand with him toe to toe and deliver what the fans wanted. But Bisping would lose that match seeing as you just cant knock leben out. Even at the end Leben allowed Bisping to land a few direct punches and a legkick that landed flush on the side of his face and it didnt faze him at all.
I expecting somone who has such good kickboxing to stand with leben not run away. And its a shame it was unanimous because of how Bisping simply used the lyoto Machida technqiue. Leben did look 100x better then he has in the past and i think with more training he will become even better. Where as Bisping will eventually fight somone really good outside of England, like he did with Evans, and lose, because apparently American Judges wont score people high enough for what i now call his style the run and gun.
And saying he will even fight Silva next is incredibly stupid. There are about 5 or 6 guys he needs to fight to get to Silva, and then Silva would run through him
Not true, not true, come on guys if u watch the video again u can clearly see that Bisbing is coming forwards towards Leben in the first 4 sec. of the fight!……ha ha!
leben is a calm and improved fighter now ,but the fight plan doesnt work well in this event against bisping.bisping dont want to engaged in a brawl fight.if bisping is a driver ,i”ll gave him a hit and run ticket.
bisping technique: run backward,hit and run again,and punch,kick and run some more.this what i called dont knock-me-out technique and save your ass from a TKO.
If MMA is about backing up and running from your fight / opponent, you’re right BISPING is KING. He knew he couldn’t stand toe to toe and win or be standing to claim victory in the end. LEBEN on the other had does little to protect himself and will take a shot to the face and many argue invites it. Stupid of LEBEN … yea maybe. Smart of BISPING to run … definitely !!!
jarxt8 says
“Here’s something though, what do you think Leben was thinking dropping his hands at the end of the rounds and just eating shots like a suicidal teenager?”
he did that to show what a faggot bisping really is, afraid to punch a guy in the face strong enough to knock him out, and he succeeded.
i believe leben got more fans from that loss than bisping, and bisping will certainly get no title match if he continues to use that pussy tactic.
elitexc encourage a stand_up fight between two fighter. so what can you say now dana about one of your boys.bisping..running man style…it suck!.that what elitexc trying to avoid ,a boring match.now you got it now!fans don’t want to see a running man fighting in the octagon.
lol, crazy how people get pissed when a fighter loses because another fighter was smarter, faster, landed more punches, could not be held down, landed with knees, did everything better than leben. Leben was beat up, it showed. By the numbers he was also outmatched in every area. How is it fixed?
BRawling gets you nothing against a technical and precise fighter. Sure, sometimes you get lucky but just look guys……this time he did not and lost. He actually only landed a couple shots.
Sorry, leben lost the fight. If bisbing was such a pussy surely Leben could have beat him correct?
And for someone who ran Lebens face looked pretty bad…very strange a pussy who did nothing but ran could even do that.
Watch this vid:
http://www.mmatko.com/chris-leben-vs-anderson-silva-fight-video/
Chris did the same thing…charged in and tried to swing. Also, if you notice Silva did the same as bisping and moved, backed up, punched, and just outclassed chris within seconds.
Only difference is Silva is muuuch better than bisping and ended it soon. So I suppose Silva is a pussy too huh? I gues he should have stood in there and just swung for the fence with chris to make sure chris could have a chance….
you guys are correct, this is MMA!
I had no skin in this fight. It could have gone either way and I’d be fine with the outcome. I was just expecting to see a fight. Not a running excercise. I’m now a LEBEN fan … he came to fight and was clearly the aggressor and donminated the ring for three rounds. I guess these judges forgot that aspect of scoring the bout. Instead they and the commentators were clearly influenced by the 10K home crowd fans. I do believe BISPING knows he’s not ready for a title match after that fight … he even said so.
bisping won the fight and lesben lost, that’s not debateable, what’s at question here is the fight’s entertainment value.
it was a boring fucking match to watch, most fights that end in decision are a waste of tv time.
and sure, if you’re a guy who likes to watch a guy hit and run all the time fine, bisping’s the shit and you’re allowed to jump all over his dick for it, but given the fact it’s such a boring tactic to have, he’ll never get a title match.
why do you think lyoto hasn’t had a title fight yet.
decisions aren’t bad for the sport, I’m not wanna these drunk idiots demanding blood or a KO. But in this fight only 1 guy came to fight, this is supposed to be an aggressive combat sport, the back peddling should of been called to Bisping’s attention by the ref. Disqualification should also be considered if nothing is done.
I wonder if New Balance or any other company that manufactures track sneakers will sponsor Bisbing after that performance.
When Bisbing was on TUF i thought that he showed a lot of potential and would quickly turn into a great fighter….we’re all wrong once in a while though i guess.
Bisbing more closely resembled Kaleb Starnes than Lyoto Machida. I mean come on, Leben even dropped his hands and let Bisbing take his best shots without interference and Bisbing did no damage at all with it. Rather embarrassing for Bisbing. Not a smart thing for Leben to do, but it did sum up the perception that Bisbing wasn’t doing much besides back peddling and jabbing…and it was freakin’ funny too.
Don’t blame Bisping for Leben’s lack of ability. I thought Bisping did a good job. Leben simply looked clumsy and unable to do anything. There were *many* exchanges during the fight and plenty of clinches, yet Leben didn’t really do anything with it. That’s what I found boring. This isn’t boxing. How can any fighter truly “run away” in an MMA fight when it’s legal to grab, tackle, kick, throw. A good fighter will find a way to deal with someone with good movement. There were countless mentions of Silva above. Do you think Bisping could run from him? I doubt it.
I agree, he was runing away the hole time, is it just me or do they not judge the fight on Control of the Octagon. If any thing should haev been a split dision
For all the fans of Bisping —Bisping,Iyoto Machina fight. 50 laps around the octagon.
This is why i hate the cage it gives fighters to much room to move around and this will make for a less exciting fight.In a ring fighters are cut off more forcing them to engage,this is why pride had more exciting fights.They should take the cage out and put a ring.
bisbing won but leben showed up to fight and letting bisbing punch him to show the lack of power was just funny / and i think bisbing is over hyped but capable, obviously no match for hendo, silva, or franklin if he returned to 185
Even though i knew who would win, I took Lebens side in this fight cuz I hate Bisping. I will admit without bias Bisping beat the shit outta my boy. Leben looked like a cave man.
As a fan of MMA, I’d have to say Bisping fought a smart technical fight. He saw Leban’s weaknesses, used his range and movement to out strike, avoid damage, and score points over Leban. He clearly won the decision, anyone saying otherwise is a fool. Do I like Bisping? No. I think he’s an arrogant piece of shit that got an easy road to build the hype, and a strong UK fan base. Even when Matt Hamil kicks his ass in the UK Bisping still wins. Besides Hamil and Rashad, how many threatening fighters has he faced. While he is a very skilled and fit fighter, I can’t wait till he finally has to start facing better fighters and then his victories will come to an end.
Now Leban is a more entertaining fighter, that has matured and gained some more skill. Although he still has a way to go. He brought everything into the fight except a back up plan once Bisping saw through him. I even found it funny when he dropped his gaurd and let Bisping take his best shots on him. That must be embarassing for Bisping, reminds me of that Cuban Tae Kwon Do Olympian that kicked the ref in the head. Leban has fought surperior fighters and will only continue to grow.
Now it went from people saying Bisping isnt boring, which is an absolute lie, to bisping is just a better striker, another lie. He had a significant reach and height advantage over leben. About 75% of lebens punches were a few inches short of a knock out, and yes Bisping knew this the entire time. Thats why he danced around and ran away instead of exchanging with leben. He would have thrown those kicks and punchs that messed up the face, but leben has so much car tissue its not hard to make him bleed or swell up. His punches he was allowed at the end by leben did no damage, NOR DID THE LEG KICK THAT LANDED FLUSH. He packs no power whatsoever and will never be in a title fight cause he is boring as hell to watch and will lose a fight against Marquart, Macdonald, Henderson and then we will see how bad he really is
Scar tissue*
Also apperance isnt as important as who landed more effective punches and who pushed forward. Almost every one of lebens punches sent bisping running or wobbling, and he charged in every time, while bisping ran away
And the fact that he said he was hoping for a decision is such a cop out. its like saying hey im happy i have no power and cant stand with the dude. Its ok, ill just do a little dance around and win out a decision. I should fight silva next. Yeah, good luck
this is not a rocky movie fight and this aint a movie, its reality. deal with it people if you want both fighters swinging to the fences then go watch ROCKY!!. mma isnt for ya.
i am most disappointed on vera. man whats wrong? you should go back to HW.
Leben got a lot of money for letting bisping win that fight…. UFC wants all thouse UK fanatics… after UFC gets what they want they will not give a shit about bisping and YOU the public will pay-per-view fights from UK.
Bispings last 2 fights before this were all about attack. He dominated and was the aggressor . But once again American haters just have to hate.
If you guys think that MMA is all about standing toe to toe, then your playing to much smackdown vs raw on xbox. You wouldnt last 5 minutes in this sport with that kind of mentality.
So your moaning about Bisping not engageing into a brawl …Geeesh what next, will you expect a fighter to walk in the cage and just lie on the floor just because he is fighting a wrestler ? or would you expect him to try and keep it standing?….probably not because that would be a game plan and we couldnt have that could we!?
Bisping nut huggers. If I spent over 14 minutes chasing a guy around a ring, taking little pussy ass punches while he back peddled and jived like a runnin back trying not to get slaughtered, id put my hands down and tell his punk ass to hit me with all he had too. Leben must’ve been thinkin in his head, what do I have to lose, lets humiliate this coward” And he did. So what if he lost the fight. No one in the right mind is going to say “good fight bisping!’ Unless your a retarded nut hugger. And then piss off, and learn to root for a fighter, not the next nike sponsor.
I really don’t like “fighting for points” , but the 10 point must system in place in the UFC encourages it. Bisping did exactly the right thing according the UFC’s rules. In PRIDE he would have been yellow carded a number of times. That’s why some of PRIDE’s rules should be considered in the UFC, and UNLESS a guy significantly beats the other guy, the judges should call it a draw – i.e the case of Taylor/Lytle and Vera/Jardine.
I mean sure if this was a STREET FIGHT, Bisping did exactly what he should, avoid damage, bust the other prick up, and NO DOUBT the count is the better fighter – BUT – this isn’t a street fight, both men want to fight each other, they are paid to fight and paid to entertain, not just to win on points…. Anyway, bisping technically did the right thing, but I don’t know how many fans he would have won in the process. I know a LOT of people will be cheering Dan/Rich at Bispings next fight.
Props to leben for a good show of respect post fight too..
I’m no huge fan of Machida but at least he tries harder to conclude his fights by knocking fighters down(maybe not out), or submission.
once again the problems with the ufc: octagon(ring is preferable) is too big. If unfairly benefits both stand-up and ground-fighters in the wrong way stand-up guys who don’t wanna be taken down could simply back themselves into a corner or simply run circles(Bisping). Ground-guys could always drag opponents to the corner or edge of the cage lay-n-pray and waste time. #2 A “10min 1st round” would be beneficial, it would make decisions more dominant in most cases. #3 10point must system abolished for MMA. #4 stomps, soccer kicks, 4point attacks must be permitted. #5 is a matter of opinion “elbows” personally they should be permitted when fighters are standing only. Elbows on the ground seldom produce KO’s, mainly cuts.
Reminds me of the Sanchez Vs Kosheck fight! I guess thats why fighters are paid for a ko or submission. Decisions like this are boring, but tactical. Jason Mcdonald would run through Bisping.
Man some of you guys are getting out of hand. First of all, if every fight in MMA was a bunch of Haymaker throwing, coked out vikings standing in the middle of the ring with lots of violence and little technique, many people would not watch it. maybe just as much if MMA was all grappling or all stock and move boxing.
what you guys have to understand is that Lebens only real skill is being able to punch hard and get punched hard. why would a fighter who wants to beat him stand in his only strong dimension? a slugfest? I Watched that fight and was on the edge of my seat the entire time witnessing bisping dip in and out of dangerous KO attempts with fast combinations that made LEBEN look like he had cosmetic surgery by the end of the fight. MMA is not all about brute violence… thats part of it… the other parts are endurance, finesse, strategy. Bisping showed how someone who punches less hard and has a weaker chin can go against the opposite type of opponent and stull turn his face into meat. I loved this fight. If you dont like these type of fights, then just dont want Bisping fight… or Machida… or anyone who fights that way. Watch old tank abbot fights or watch Kimbo slice….. or bettter yet just watch WWE or boxing. MMA is not a sport of barbarians slugging it out in a mud pit… its about martial artists pitting their techniques together from all the martial arts styles worldwide
ufc needs bisping to build up the uk market, that’s why they keep feeding him opponemts that he can beat. the brits only like to support the brits even though they suck at fighting. bisping is even more boring than machida to watch because he has even less skills.
Well said Chamberfool, but a lot of the WWE fans on here won’t understand it. I tried already…. They want slug fests no matter who’s fighting.
this fight was disappointing, bisping said he was going to take a page out of a. silva’s book. he took half a page, he never tried to pour it on and knock out leben. with all bisping’s talk he didn’t do shit, he played a smart strategy but his conditioning wasn’t stronger than leben’s. he definitely doesn’t have the power leben does. he just played chicken shit!
Black Gerbil1, there’s no way bisping could ever beat anderson silva and deep down you know it. keep dreaming and go u.k. hot deals gerbil!
I think I know what most of you nitwits want to watch–two semi-skilled looping punchers sit in the middle of the ring and hit each other. They have that. It’s called Toughman. Look it up.
I don’t think anyone here said that fighters should always stand and throw down for 15 minutes every fight…just that when a fighter is moving in reverse for 15 minutes it’s rather boring and cheap.
For example, I thought that Machida vs Ortiz was a Very exciting fight. Machida did back up a lot, but also attacked too. He was just to quick for Ortiz to counter when he attacked. Now don’t get me wrong; Bisbing was pretty fast too…but only when headed backwards.
…Anyone remember having that one friend who would ONLY use low kicks in tekken 1 because they were almost a sure hit? They often won and it didn’t break any rules, but it was still boring and cheesey…That’s what Bisbing reminded me of.
hey, when it comes down to it, a win is a win, yes i hate bisbing and yes he made the fight boring, but every fighter have their own style, some are more aggressive and some are more reserved and counter, u cant expect him not to move back when he is getting punched by someone who has knockout power, even though i think bisbing can never be a top fighter, he was the better man in that fight and did more damage no matter how, and thats ultimately more important
You Know i have to say i am amazed by the comments here because only a few people are speaking from the heart. I am from the UK and I am a Bisping fan but i did want Bisping to commit more to the fight and not back peddle as much, I know why he did it though, because when you loose your counting you meal ticket until your out of the UFC, but when you win you have the opportunity to keep improving…
If you think Bisping isn’t taking into account what the fans say you are wrong, he’s a smart guy and the smart thing to do is improve while your winning.
whoever compared machida to bisping is a idiot…machida yes uses the bitch tactic,but hes mastered it,but hes equally offensive and dangerous….look at the ortiz machida fight,machida mopped the floor with tito,tito would get angry and restless,machida would make him pay hard with a knee,elbow or ground and pound,bisping is love tappin leben’s helmet for a head and running.
Ground & pound in the Machida/Ortiz fight? They were on the ground for about 25 seconds in the 1st two rounds combined, and Machida almost lost the fight when he took the fight to the ground in the 3rd with that vicious knee. He should have made Ortiz get up. They may have stopped the fight since Ortiz probably couldn’t have gotten up. However, I couldn’t care less if I ever see Bisbing fight again whereas I’m anxiously awaiting Machida’s next match.
my respects to leben….i can tell he just wanted to land and finish bisping off…not surprised at bisping, when he fears he rans!! Matt Hamill was roved when he fought bisping. Bisping, i’m not impress on his performance at all!!!
honestly the most entertaining parts of the fight was A) Bisping running so fast away from Leben that he kept hitting the cage with his heals. B) Lebens hook towards the end of the fight that almost made Bisping fall over sideways….C) Lebens determination to make it a good fight, too bad Bisping didnt feel the same way…
Rashad evans is a BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!
i love how much americans get pissed off when someone from a diffrent country does well at something, come on guys give credit where credits due, bispings a good fighter and yes you have more and better fighters but hes not that shit, you need to grow up and start liking and hating fighters for there fighting. correct?