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ddt Says, in 4-11-2011 at 10:25:23 from 99.231.226.34    

i completly agree i think moussasi dominated jardine

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sledhead Says, in 4-11-2011 at 10:31:09 from 173.161.111.153    

i watched this fight 5 times, and there is no doubt that Mousasi was robbed of a win. my hats off to Jardine for hanging in there, but he took a brutal ass whooping and did NOTHING to hurt Mousasi. point deduction or not, that was a s*** call. mma judges suck in the worst way. there needs to be a change.

thx for the post Bruno!!

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Yo Mama Says, in 4-11-2011 at 10:31:14 from 189.105.12.24    

I don’t get it, he says he “maybe” gave the first round to Jardine, this way it would actually be a draw.

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kaution187 Says, in 4-11-2011 at 10:58:32 from 198.202.6.154    

Smartest thing he’s said in a long long time.

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sooooopernate Says, in 4-11-2011 at 11:23:47 from 67.168.195.61    

Well, he kind of answered his own question there. Round 1 would’ve been 10-8 if Jardine won because of the point deduction. Rounds 2&3 are 10-9 Mousasi so that’s 28-28. I really dislike Mauro because he often espoused beliefs that are unsubstantiated or just plain stupid. I thought Mousasi won all 3 rounds, thus getting a 29-28 win, but it’s pretty easy to see where the draw came from. This is why we need tie-breaker rounds, and thankfully Zuffa (allegedly) is making a push to make this a reality.

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Rear Naked Smoke AKA Hands of Stoned Says, in 4-11-2011 at 11:42:16 from 67.82.204.82    

Hey Bruno. This vid as well as the 2 bellator fights won’t load. All else is fine, just the last 3 FLV’s. Is the problem on my end or yours?

Bruno: They still work for me.

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Rear Naked Smoke AKA Hands of Stoned Says, in 4-11-2011 at 12:27:47 from 67.82.204.82    

Ok, tried it with Firefox, and all is well. Must be the new I.E. that’s doing it. Sorry.

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knuckles Says, in 4-11-2011 at 12:39:42 from 46.37.189.57    

i’d have some respect for him if he wasn’t jumping on the joe rogan band wagon, he wouldn’t be making those comments if joe hadn’t of criticized the NVAC.

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Freaklegion Says, in 4-11-2011 at 13:14:23 from 96.49.35.155    

I’m not sure what all the crying is about, it certainly looked like a draw to me.

We can all agree that takedowns being scored how they are is ridiculous, but they ARE scored that way and that’s why Jardine did that. If they weren’t scored that way it wouldn’t have happened.

It was a draw based on how they score fights these days.

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Jesus Soto-Karass Says, in 4-11-2011 at 14:12:38 from 98.238.140.241    

Where’s Morales vs. Maidana? I hate Canadians anyway. This guy keeps saying aboot. WTF is that?

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RuttenJump Says, in 4-11-2011 at 15:07:34 from 24.212.44.131    

I think the only people who shoukd have the right to judge is people with atleast amateur figths in the sport.How can you judge something you dont know?!?I could never judge how a singer sings or how a basketball players is because i dont know anything about these 2 things.So why is it different in MMA?

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Grape Soda Says, in 4-11-2011 at 15:53:46 from 72.34.128.250    

Takedowns shouldn’t score if they don’t result in a fighter doing damage or advancing position.
How can you give points for a takedown when the fighter just lays in guard and can’t even keep his opponent on his back? Hell Mousasi did just as much damage from his back than Jardine did in top position. Anyone see Jardine’s face after the fight?
Mad respect to Keith for taking the fight but he lost!

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fritz5011 Says, in 4-11-2011 at 16:11:56 from 207.210.56.47    

how does no one understand this, like this fool was just preaching himself and not understanding what he himself was saying
“maybe give keith the first round”
if kieth wins the first..its a 10-8
2nd 9-10
3rd 9-10
DRAW
thats how we get draws with 10-8 rounds or piont deductions
just like the bj fitch fight
just like the edgar maynor fight
just like the ortiz evans fight

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Randy Couture Says, in 4-11-2011 at 16:19:44 from 216.95.169.254    

you guys are missing the point what he means by may be the first round should have been Jardins is with the Deduction. which means it would still be 10-9 because Mousasi lost the point.
So Jardin did well at the begining of the first round then (10-9) Mousasi fed it to him for the remainder of the fight (9-9) then the dedution comes to play 9-8 ( which really becomes a 10-9 for Jardin. Still 1 point difference.
having said that. There is noway that was a Tie. Jardin was dominated in all three rounds and the deductions tied the first round.
Bruno may you can help me explain this better.

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fritz5011 Says, in 4-11-2011 at 17:33:45 from 207.210.56.47    

oh silly randy
IF you wanted to give the 1st round to mousasi it would be 9-9
If you gave the round to jardine it would be 10-8
and by saying maybe give the first round to jardine it would be the 10-8 thus making this fight a DRAW
no one is quiestioning the 2nd and 3rd round mousasi clearly won those rounds

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sooooopernate Says, in 4-11-2011 at 17:37:32 from 67.168.195.61    

@Randy Couture, that’s not how the 10 point must system works, and Mauro should know that. If Jardine wins the first round it’s 10-8 because of the point deduction, not 10-9. The only difference is 1 point. So the only 2 possibilities for the first round are 10-8 jardine, or 9-9 (would be 10-9 mousasi, but 9-9 cuz of the deduction). I believe Gegard won all 3 rounds, which would make it 29-28, but 28-28 is easy to see since takedowns are favored so disproportionately.

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mmaok Says, in 4-11-2011 at 17:38:33 from 24.226.106.121    

Mauro- yes judging needs to be better. But ex-fighters? Man- some of the worst judges of all time in boxing were ex-fighters. Just because you were inside the cage does not mean you get judge a fight. All judges should have to pass a course to get licensed- like the one that Big John Mcarthy runs. No one should be able to judge a fight until they understand and pass his course so they know what they are looking at and what they are looking for.

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Shinka Martial Arts Richmond Says, in 4-11-2011 at 18:13:45 from 70.79.98.26    

Randy (good luck on your fight btw, superman punch to close the distance followed up by a cross step rolling clinch?) is right.

Not only was it a bad call to take the point, but even with the lost point, Kieth still lost. Sorry Dean.

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JJ Says, in 4-11-2011 at 19:02:40 from 84.13.51.139    

hey, Randy – if normal score for a round won is 10-9. Point deduction goeas on top of that, giving you 10-8. If Mousassi was winning it than it would be 9-9.

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Rear Naked Smoke AKA Hands of Stoned Says, in 4-11-2011 at 19:55:15 from 67.82.204.82    

Let me take a crack at this. Gegard won the fight, but the MMA match was a draw. Dig?

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RuttenJump Says, in 4-11-2011 at 20:00:10 from 24.212.44.131    

Randy please learn how to count.Point deduction DOESNT mean that jardine wins the round.The winner of the round gets 10 and the loser 9 or less.i beleived jardine started well but his takedowns were not really usefull they made him control the round for maybe 1 min but the rest of the round was dominated by Mousasi standing up.so that makes the winner of the round Mousasi 10 and jardine 9.But Mousasi lost a point so the judges simply deduct 1 point out of Mousasi’s round so it makes it 9-9.Exactly like in boxing because the judging is more based on boxing judging than anything else.They cant make the round 10-8 for jardine because it would mean the judges deducted 2 points and gave 1 to Jardine.It simply doesnt work like that.

IF anyone scored the 1st round 10-9 for Jardine then it is 10-8 for Jardine.But if anybody seriously thinks 2 leg kicks and 2 takedowns with maximum 1 minute of dominating position is worth more than 4 minutes of getting outstriked then you need to stop pretending you are a judge because you simply dont know what you are talking about.Everyone brings up fitch or GSP.But these guys pass guard ans throw strikes and try submissions.They make ALOT of points on the ground.And IMO getting up from the guard is way more difficult than taking someone down.I did more BJJ than wrestling but still i think its harder to get up from a bottom position.ESPECIALLY when you have the skill to get up with ease in a couple of seconds.It shouldnt count more than 1 clean kick or punch but a takedown and guard passing sub attempts and strikes is woth alot of points.

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Mute Says, in 4-11-2011 at 20:19:14 from 74.129.202.52    

LOL @ RandyCouture

I don’t think Bruno can help you man. :)

The judges are not to blame for once. They did their job correctly. The scoring system screwed this one up. It seems most fans and even broadcasters seem to have no idea or get selective memory in how fights are scored. The rounds are scored individually. So you usually just need to win two of the rounds to win the fight. But sometimes thats not enough. This is one of those times. 10-8 rounds are uncommon and only happen either with a completely one-sided round where one fighter dominates from beggining to end(Example:3rd round Fitch vs. Penn) or a point deduction from the loser of that round(Example:1st round Mousasi vs. Jardine). I’m a huge Mousasi fan and I even knew he was probably down 2 points going into the 2nd. I knew he had to finish Jardine or get a 10-8 round himself and also a standard 10-9 round to earn a victory. Those takedowns in the 1st are the reason Jardine won that round, I agree he didn’t do much with them but he did take Mousasi down at will. Takedowns are a Power move/Control move so it scores fairly good. MMA Fights are all about “control”. Hitting someone in the face is “control”, pinning them up against the cage is “control”, putting someone in a submission is “control”. That’s the best way to look at it. I think fans would enjoy the fights more if they understood this better, even Mauro.

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kuelniss Says, in 4-11-2011 at 21:36:19 from 173.180.192.46    

@RuttenJump. I agree with everything that you said except one major flaw in your logic. You claim that getting up is more difficult than taking someone down, that may be true but you have to remember that DEFENSIVE moves are not rewarded, OFFENSIVE ones are. You don’t score by blocking a punch, kick, submission, or takedown. Defensive moves are rewards in themselves, all sports do this and it is the way it should be.

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robj4y Says, in 4-11-2011 at 22:07:18 from 94.192.160.181    

10-8 , 9-10 , 9-10 = draw . jardine controlled the 1st round slightly more even tho gm had more damage . it could have gone either way tho easy . i dont know what the fuss is about neither could finish it …next time dont leave it to judges .

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Mexguit Says, in 4-11-2011 at 22:25:39 from 76.183.241.202    

Is Randy Couture trolling us or is he really serious? hahaha!

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Randy Couture Says, in 4-11-2011 at 22:58:03 from 74.12.187.117    

Please dont teach me about judging and where the bull s*** 10-9 system started. Trust me I know the system very well. I was trying to explain where Mauro was getting his metality from. (just because some people think he won doesnt mean he won it 10-8)
For the record there is no Doubt Mousasi won the fight.
@ Rutten, read my comment again then read yours then explain how what you are saying is differnt than mine. (I was simplyfing it for people to undersand) If you have ever judged then youd know. as the judges are watching the fight they go back and fort between the fighters with points untill the end that’s where the they Tallying up comes from….so my friend please you go learn how it works.
@fritz5011 , the only was (IF) Jardin won that first round would be a 10-9 (read my explanation again) Jardin clrealy lost that round bout this is all a big IF.
@mute – FU! LOL!

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RuttenJump Says, in 4-11-2011 at 23:22:00 from 24.212.44.131    

@Mute Your point doesnt make sense.Keit cobntrolled 1-1:30 max of the round with his grappling and Mousasi oustruck him 4 minutes after so its 4 minutes of controle for Mousasi and 1 minute for jardien but you score it 10-9 for jardine?

THE SCROE IS 9-9 THE FISRT ROUND MOUSASI WON THE 1ST

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D-Nasty Says, in 4-12-2011 at 00:23:46 from 98.180.32.207    

Listen Mauro, you yourself said that you could have seen Jardine winning the first round. When a fighter wins a round, it is scored 10-9 in there favor. If the opposing fighter, who lost the round, also has a point deducted, then it becomes a 10-8 round. That means that even if Mousasi won the next two rounds by a score of 10-9, the final score would have been 28-28, making it a draw…

Dont hammer the judges when you yourself say that you could see Jardine winning the first round, which I think he did. Instead, learn how fights are scored and bring a calculator genius.

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Pocker Says, in 4-12-2011 at 00:39:21 from 64.211.117.231    

im glad i am not the only one who noticed mauro retardo say “maybe give the first round to jardine” and then contradict himself and say theres no way it could be a draw.

if you give the first round to jardine then there is no possible way that the outcome wasnt a draw.

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obluso Says, in 4-12-2011 at 01:03:21 from 65.80.14.184    

he looks and sounds a lot like dan akroyd in this

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ddt Says, in 4-12-2011 at 01:06:00 from 99.231.226.34    

i dont give a f what ne1 has to say mousasi won that fight sure jardine scored 4 takedowns the first round but he did no damage this is not a wrestling matche this is a fight and i give mousasi the first round for scoring at least over 10 shots to jardines face dominating him that 1st round judges really do need to get their act together its been an issue since shogun vs machida 1 deigo vs kampman etc

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wcoastassassin Says, in 4-12-2011 at 01:21:08 from 50.35.180.5    

Not a big fan of how they score takedowns either but when you get 5 of them in one round how much time is really left over? 10-8 Jardine, rounds 2&3 Musassi 1-9 draw. This is the fight he chooses to bitch about, really> There are enough bad decisions out there and then he goes out of his way to complain about a very legitimate decision I don’t understand. What would be nice is a half point when a first time foul is not enough to warrant a third of the points in the fight. Not such a big deal, one point in boxing because there is 10 rounds in most big bouts. When there is only 3 rounds 1 point is an enourmous advantage.

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Gt03champp Says, in 4-12-2011 at 01:23:12 from 24.7.203.143    

what the hell is Randy talking about?….. ANYONE?

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hooch1967 Says, in 4-12-2011 at 02:37:38 from 98.149.53.108    

I can see the take downs as points only if Mousasi wasn’t escaping and or throwing up submission attempts. Mousasi was very busy off his back and dominated the stand up. He got screwed!

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Randy Couture Says, in 4-12-2011 at 12:15:32 from 216.95.169.254    

@Gt03champp . I will make it simple for you. I think Mousasi got screwed by the Judges. doy ou Disagree?

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Beast w/ 8 Limbs Says, in 4-12-2011 at 13:11:35 from 68.202.234.202    

Mousasi didn’t get cheated by the judges, guys. He got cheated by the ref.

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vsmoove Says, in 4-12-2011 at 14:45:43 from 146.209.130.210    

@ Randy — is it a 10 point must system?? If so, and you think Jardine won the first round (arguable), then the fight is a draw. I’m not sure what people are arguing about?

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marvleous mad madam mim Says, in 4-12-2011 at 14:50:59 from 71.136.240.82    

we need old pride scoring

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Mute Says, in 4-12-2011 at 17:49:18 from 74.129.202.52    

@ Beast w/ 8 Limbs

I kind of agree with that. I think there could have been a warning for the upkick but the ref was quick to deduct the point, either way Mousasi made the mistake.

@Ruttenjump

My post made too much sense! I’ll try and dumb it down for you next time.

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fritz5011 Says, in 4-12-2011 at 18:39:58 from 207.210.56.47    

@randy your still not getting it
IF jardine won the first round (which all 3 judges say he did) it would be 10-9 jardine minuus 1pt for mousasi’s illegal upkick making it 10-8
it was a 10-8 round
it was a 10-8 round
stop saying 10-9

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Randy Couture Says, in 4-12-2011 at 19:01:41 from 74.12.187.117    

@vsmoove, dont get me wrong I dont think Jardin won that round. what I am saying is the only way he did is because of the point deduction. which would make the round 10-9. he’d still lose the fight.
how did he get cheated by the ref? that was an illegable kick? what am I missing?

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RuttenJump Says, in 4-12-2011 at 19:35:34 from 24.212.44.131    

@VSmoove
It is a 10 point must system.
If you think jardine won the first round then he had 10-9 and Mousasi lost a point so 10-8.
But if you think Mousasi won the first round he had 10-9 and lost a point so its 9-9.Just watch any boxing match wich is a 10 point must system too when the winner of the round loses a point it becoms 9-9.

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RuttenJump Says, in 4-12-2011 at 19:41:37 from 24.212.44.131    

@Mute I completly understood your post.I was saying that scoring the 1st round 10-8 for Jardine is ridiculous because he CONTROLLED like you said so many times at all in the 1st round 1:30 maximum and the rest was striking.3:30 of striking controlled by Mousasi vs 1:30 of grappling controlled by Jardine.Thats what i think doesnt make sense because Mousasi controlled the round so why did Jardine won the first.Yes judges in North america score fights this way because they dnt know what they do.I talked about this fight at my gym and everyone thought Mousasi won the round.

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RuttenJump Says, in 4-12-2011 at 19:42:46 from 24.212.44.131    

@Mute If you watched more fights you would know submissions dont score if you dont finish it or sweep the guy iwht it.

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Mag Says, in 4-12-2011 at 21:48:46 from 203.34.63.1    

Grape Soda – spot on. The “bias for position” under the Unified System (or how it’s seen by the judges) is RIDICULOUS! You are not controlling anything if you are receiving more damage that you are taking, regardless of position, it could be back control, but if you are taking more damage than you are receiving then your position is NOTHING.

Judge each portion of the fight in terms of “net result”. If a fighter has a takedown, that is a means to an end – if he was damaged or reversed because of his takedown, then obviously it was a bad decision to take the fight to the ground so he should be penalized. The “net result” was negative for that fighter! There is a complete lack of “context” in the unified rules.

To fix the system we need: 1. To score a fight in terms of “net result” of each exchange without bias for position. 2. The primary criteria rewarded for fighting is EFFECTIVE damage and proximity to ending the fight. Aggression and “control” should only be considered if the primary considerations are deemed equal. 3. To score the fight overall, not just add up rounds – or at least have a large consideration in making the decision for “overall winner” (i.e who would have won if the fight kept going, who was taking over the fight, etc)

Cheers

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Randy Couture Says, in 4-12-2011 at 23:39:12 from 74.12.187.117    

@fritz5011
One judge scored the fight 29-27 for Mousasi, but two judges scored it a 28-28 tie
you still think all judges thought Jarkin won the first round, I dont you getting it.
having said… I agree with Mag. well said!
I am done with this. thanks for the entertainment LOL!

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Dave Says, in 4-13-2011 at 02:09:03 from 174.113.146.3    

mossasi won that fight!

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RuttenJump Says, in 4-13-2011 at 11:34:09 from 24.212.44.131    

@Mag
What you are saying is true.But its pretty hard for people who dont fight or train MMA(the judges,and the keyboard warriors)to understand who won the grappling exchanges.Like i said before getting up from the guard in 10 seconds like Mousasi did is way more difficult than the takedown itself.So if KJ takes Gegard down but is finally reversed then he shouldnt get more points than 1 punch.But the problem is Mousasi landed almost 20 strikes in the first round.Anyone i talked to about this fight at my gym say Mousasi won the 1st round.Because we know more about grappling and striking than most of the judges.Im happy that Ricardo Almeida will judge fights since he retired.We wont see BS judging from him when it comes to grappling

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