Says,
in 9-23-2007 at 05:55:23 from 202.7.166.170
Forrest is awesome I thought that Shogun might win that but no Forrest did he’s a good bloke too not an arrogant prick like a lot of the others.
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in 9-23-2007 at 10:02:52 from 64.53.196.59
awesome
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in 9-23-2007 at 12:33:15 from 68.229.175.9
i, like a lot of other people, expected way more from mauricio.. i have no doubt in my mind now…ufc is the best in mma screw pride.. i hope the best for wanderlei though
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in 9-23-2007 at 13:03:19 from 63.207.238.29
Wow!! Shogun just did not look like himself. I have never seen him gas out so quick (mid 2nd round) props to Griffin for sure, although the loss still hurts big time. You learn more from a loss, but dont make it a habit!!
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in 9-23-2007 at 16:46:00 from 67.128.187.139
I have never seen Shogun get worked like that before. He was totally gased by the 2nd round. There was no agression in his stand up game and when the fight when to the ground, he was worse.
I was dissapointed to say the least, Shogun is one of the best. He just wasn’t himself.
Says,
in 9-23-2007 at 18:17:13 from 64.231.75.96
shogun’s cardio was awful. but the fight itself wasn’t too bad. it’s always funny watching a guy gas out 
shogun never retreated either even as he become ultra-sloppy!
i’m also pretty tired of hearing all this pride vs ufc nonsense. these guys are fighters. they just fought for different organizations. shogun had a shitty night. it happens.
pride, as an entertainment product, was very well put together. the point is that no fighter is “Pride” or the “UFC”. this is all promoter junk that feeds the pockets of the corporates that would never dare step in the ring or cage.
hehehe, too bad for chuck 
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in 9-23-2007 at 18:29:48 from 74.107.29.154
i thought forest was gona lose after his recent loses and mach ups with people no has heard of put he proved hes one of the best light heavy weights in mma
Says,
in 9-23-2007 at 21:21:21 from 86.42.118.67
Looks like this shogun fella was all hype???
Says,
in 9-23-2007 at 21:29:30 from 72.222.227.88
Wow…would’ve lost big $$$$ had I went with my gut and picked Shogun. Never, ever thought he would gas so soon, if ever…maybe the pressure got to him, he definitely had a bad nite. THANX for posting!
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in 9-24-2007 at 01:26:29 from 68.14.87.74
it was all about forest conditioning and training, core stregth and determintation! good job white boy
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in 9-24-2007 at 12:18:23 from 71.176.175.155
I dont think anyone realizes how hard it is for the pride guys to perform in a new atmosphere and fight well with new rules. Shoguns nerves probably got the best of him. if you cant control your adrenaline before and during a fight, and you stay nervous. It eats away at your attrition.
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in 9-24-2007 at 14:36:03 from 64.170.138.150
Great fight regardless.
Says,
in 9-25-2007 at 00:25:46 from 74.99.158.171
props to forrest for a great fight
shoguns cardio looks like it needs some major work? does anyone know if he got injured during the fight, it just seems like all the sudden his hands become dead weight and he has no energy to mount any sort of coordinate attack
Says,
in 9-25-2007 at 00:33:16 from 211.28.216.205
In response to Frayner, Shogun certainly is not all hype. Shogun has totally earned his respect, he absolutely destroyed rampage Jackson (current UFC LH champ). In my opinion he was the best middle weight in pride, better than Vanderlei (cos Vanderlei is old now). These new rules are hurting certain pride fighters, Vanderlei will lose too. The UFC has much more wrestling and elbows, Pride was all like ‘wambam’ kick you in the face, stomp on your head (more diffs than that).
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in 9-25-2007 at 15:17:55 from 72.220.117.179
why did shogun gas out so fast?
Says,
in 9-25-2007 at 18:20:46 from 86.7.70.227
i think that shogun gassed because of forrests size, and he doesnt stop, that combo makes the fittest guys wear out pretty quick. props to forrest, he definately isnt a step stone fighter which i thought he was, i just hope he gets the rematch with jardine, i hate that guy. even though he beat chuck i still think he is the most over rated fighter in the game today, with his bloody monkey stance, argh damn him, i mean rashad evans beat him for christ sake!
Says,
in 9-26-2007 at 05:23:43 from 71.118.52.22
it seems like shogun got too cocky and didnt really condition :]
Says,
in 9-26-2007 at 12:54:58 from 72.86.105.219
I don’t agree that Pride is inferior based on the recent string of upsets. In a lot of cases, the Pride fighters just seemed out of sync. It will be interesting to see what happens with these fighters’ long term UFC careers. Strict UFC fans haven’t seen the real Rua, Crocop or Heath Herring. There are also some Pride fighters that are doing fairly well in UFC so far like Nogierra (sp?) and Quinten Jackson. And, of course we haven’t seen the real king of Pride, Fedor. Let’s not discount Pride until it’s all said and done.
Says,
in 9-27-2007 at 17:13:37 from 70.244.83.103
Two very equal fighters. Shogun is just awesome and think that this win for Grif is a BIG one. Shogun is definitely all the hype; he just gassed. Shogun should have watched UFC Unleashed, observed Forrest’s training, and copied it.
Says,
in 9-28-2007 at 21:07:53 from 71.217.230.15
I feel terrible for griffin, as he will now face all the top competition now based off the win here. But this wasn’t shogun and avid mma fans will testify to this, he stupidly went into this bout with a knee injury so proper cardio training and training in general kinda fell along the wayside and now he has to (thanx to this fight) get surgery. This was not shogun I’m not speaking out my ass watch him simply destroy rampage as well as arona and furthermore size was not a factor here, just watch shogun vs. overeem, overeem is far more talented than griffin as well as being taller and larger.
Says,
in 9-28-2007 at 21:12:39 from 75.87.252.189
Shogun had a bad night. 9 times out of 10 he would win. The guys that fought pride where men. Pride was the shit. Fuck Zuffa for buying them out. Because i miss it. I rented ppv for pride not ufc too many bullshit fights. They stop way to early. Wanderlei Silva will run thru the light heavyweights in the UFC. I WANT PRIDE BACK. Much more excited. Dana White is smart, Pride wouldve took over mma. There events were always over 100,000 people. UFC Like 15,000 c’mon
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in 9-28-2007 at 21:33:18 from 71.217.230.15
Griffin is a gatekeeper for the 205Lber’s with heart, and that’s cool and all but he will never hold the belt for the division. When shogun heals and makes his comeback, Griffin will face(that’s if he’s still in the mix even) the undeniable truth, as well as the rest of america. This fight here was simply Shogun’s ego getting the best of him and underestimating the amount of physical endurance needed to finish a fight. My bet is now that Griffin will more than surely be thrust into matches with the top tier fighters, will experience a devistating reality, as will Dana White, the top contender for the belt is nothing more than “THE GUY WHO BEAT SHOGUN!”
Says,
in 9-28-2007 at 22:03:03 from 71.217.230.15
I’m no nutthugger, I don’t give a shit about the whole pride vs. ufc marketing tactics. Just evaluate the facts and come to your own conclusion. I’m positive after watching enough of both Griffin’s and Rua’s previous battles and factor in Rua’s injury that resulted in a lack of training (not to say he wasn’t stupid for not allowing time for thorough training) you’ll have a different perspective of what transpired on the 22nd of september. Shogun is known for above all ENERGY! He doesn’t gas at the end of the 1st round, but even more so he doesn’t gas as bad as he did here, EVER. MARK MY WORDS, AND EVERY TRUE MMA FOLLOWER KNOWS, SHOGUN WILL HOLD THE BELT BY THE END OF 08.
Says,
in 10-1-2007 at 01:20:19 from 72.154.193.135
Fighters that have only fought in the UFC should start to migrate to Pride to see if they can compete in that format. It could be just the different ring and slightly different rules that make the difference?
Look, some Pride fighters are doing well in the UFC. But most of them are getting their asses handed to them.
Says,
in 10-5-2007 at 13:35:26 from 68.178.100.18
No Steroids No Pride!
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in 10-8-2007 at 19:51:04 from 216.105.240.15
Shogun, in the same night fought two unbelievable fights vs Alistair Overeem (7min), then for the title fought Ricardo Arona (3min) without getting gas’d.
I dont even recognize the Shogun that fought this match.
UFC lacks the STOMP, an awesome vicious attack that only Shogun seemed to leverage, and the balls to stand the fighters up when it gets slow, instead of stopping the fight.
UFC is doing very well getting American viewers to finally join the rest of the world to watch the greatest sport that exists: MMA. That said…
I too wish Pride FC was still around, they had fewer fights, but when they had a lineup, you HAD to see it. The finest fighters in the world were all there, in one night. Fedor, Nog, Hunt, Wandy, Shogun, Arona, Herring, Quinton, Henderson, Gomi, Coleman… I would count the days until the next fight.
I loved the Yellow/Red cards for inaction, standing up the fighters, possible kicks/knees on 4 points, the ring (cant push against the fence), and stomps. UFC has the dumb ring, elbows (create too many cuts), and few good lineups. Only 1 fight in a card is really worth watching most times, that is only like 6 good fights a year. come on! 80% of Pride’s card was awesome, so if they had 4 events .. that is like 30 mind blowingly awesome fights a year.
Says,
in 10-13-2007 at 04:03:39 from 24.215.232.135
For everyone who really thinks that the fight between Griffin and Rua was legitimate, I would advise you to go and watch every one of Rua’s fights. Watch out for his footwork, and more importantly, watch out for his technical tactics on the ground….watch out for the patterns in his standup too, like his charge and his kicks to the head. He was not himself with Griffin, and was holding back, and very obviously forfeighted a ton of excellent opportunities to kick Griffin in the head, his foot work was different, his ground game was held back…this is not the Rua I’ve been watching. They are completely different classes of fighters….even with him out of shape, there is no way griffin would have beaten him (or lasted that long) if he was not the TV darling that he is. Please go dig up all of Rua’s fight videos and you will know what i am talking about. Everyone here who understands the technical side of the game can attest to this…
Why would UFC fix the fight? Think about it. Wouldn’t it be great for the next season of The Ultimate Fighter if a past participant won the UFC? I wonder what that will do for the ratings. Why would a primarily middle-american audience care for a foreigner who cannot speak english, and not many people know?
Something is seriously amiss here, very very seriously amiss. Why am i getting the feeling that the UFC is beginning to act like the WWE?
Says,
in 10-15-2007 at 17:55:46 from 71.77.50.5
I’d been doubting him for awhile but Forrest Griffin won my respect with that fight although that definately wasn’t one of Shogun’s best performances to say the least. I’m looking forward to seeing Forrest Griffin fight again and hopefully Shogun will learn from his loss here.
Says,
in 10-18-2007 at 14:27:46 from 67.162.69.174
roark silva, you’re fool, plain and simple. The reasons have been given for Shoguns performance, his leg was out. Giffins arm was out. Griffin pushed through it, Shogun didn’t. He lost.
And Matt….PRIDE was purchased by ZUFFA because they were bankrupt and couldn’t pay their fighters anymore. They were about two miracles and an alien invasion away from staying the leader of MMA (which they were at one point).
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in 10-19-2007 at 14:27:40 from 60.234.137.41
Shot forrest, you deserved that win. Id like to see the iceman and forrest fight, itd be a good brawl. go the 3 rounds but its hard to say who would win. The iceman is predictable with his fighting style.
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in 10-21-2007 at 20:15:53 from 70.142.56.235
Sounds like a bunch of bitches making excuses to me. Real fighters make adjustments, not excuses.
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in 10-26-2007 at 11:39:17 from 151.166.15.124
I give Forrest his props, I like the guy. But that was not the Shogun I’ve seen fight. It was so sad and disappointing to see the number one ranked Light Heavywieght lose to an unranked fighter like that. Hope to see Shogun do better.
Oh, yea. Chuck was very disppointing too that night. Always looking for that one punch knock out. Didn’t even realize how bad he was doing.
Says,
in 10-26-2007 at 11:52:51 from 151.166.15.124
ok, one more thing. go check out the shogun vs rampage fight. then tell me that was the same shogun.
everyone has thier bad days.
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in 10-26-2007 at 13:41:57 from 71.104.230.85
shogun was sick and throwing up before the fight. Dana white made him fight or he was going to lose his contract. My coworker was there with him in the locker room and saw this. thats to bad tho
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in 11-27-2007 at 12:57:19 from 67.174.219.229
He had a torn acl in his right leg from training, the fact that he still took round one from forrest (which he did) is amazing in itself.
Shogun injury free beats forrest 9.5 times out of 10
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in 12-12-2007 at 23:01:43 from 70.137.152.154
Both great fighters. They really need to make this a rematch. Shogun and Forrest had a very entertaining fight, even though one guy (Forrest) clearly controlled most of it. I have a feeling Shogun took Forrest too lightly (not to take away from Forrest’s win) and that typically he could’ve gotten the win. Either way, they should make a rematch. Or at least let’s see Shogun vs Henderson while Forrest takes on Jackson.
Says,
in 12-22-2007 at 11:08:56 from 203.87.199.182
Shogun had a knee injury that’s why he gassed out (since he couldn’t run for long periods to up his cardio during training).
Shogun will be back. Trust me.
Says,
in 1-1-2008 at 05:10:30 from 76.126.191.143
Shogun got knocked out because Shogun is a fucking pussy… Nuff said
Says,
in 1-12-2008 at 17:25:01 from 69.157.48.111
That was not shogun for sure this ufc rules suck griffin is the pussy here shogun will kill him in real figh
Says,
in 1-15-2008 at 10:10:09 from 74.192.60.82
Why say screw Pride when Zuffa owns Pride?
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in 1-27-2008 at 05:05:11 from 76.177.178.202
I think alot of people underestimate Forrest…obviously, and more often than not they get an ass whoopin’ for it.
As far as fighting with an injury goes…lots of fighters have fought with injuries…and the better fighters win.
Says,
in 3-10-2008 at 17:48:06 from 77.102.47.97
why say pride isn’t as good as the ufc when three fighters that came from pride are now the ufc champions
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in 3-18-2008 at 23:53:41 from 76.180.60.159
props to griffin for beating shogun at first. did shogun lose alot of weight? looked at him he was all fluffy last time.. besides he was really really sloppy in this match.. like he didnt hav the heart for this fight..anyway even skillful chef cut himself sometimes.. good match
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in 4-7-2008 at 14:48:52 from 71.0.164.87
look at shogun when he fought rampage in pride he is alot more cut and built, compared to when he fought forrest in the ufc maybe he just underestimated forrest and didnt train his cardio right or maybe it’s because in japan they dont test you for STEROIDS
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in 4-19-2008 at 11:21:57 from 68.36.135.245
Forrest is a fighter in progress every fight he has he is looking better. He has a great attitude and he better be Rampage!
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in 4-22-2008 at 23:44:41 from 71.15.142.77
I don’t care if shogun is better every other time, you fight forrest griffin, and you better bring your A game. If you don’t he will just keep coming at you and try to kill you. Forrest likes to fight, infact he loves to fight, and will probably hold a title in the light heavyweight division. Probably in a year or two, after he trains even more with couture but still he is quality. I suspect that if shogun is as good as everyone says, he will be back for more forrest too. We will just have to see.
Says,
in 5-27-2008 at 22:41:53 from 71.232.17.163
jrok Says, in 1-1-2008 at 05:10:30 from 76.126.191.143
Shogun got knocked out because Shogun is a fucking pussy… Nuff said
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Quick question… have you ever even HEARD of Shogun before he fought in the UFC? Because if you did you wouldn’t be calling him a pussy. Shogun is a warrior, just like Griffin. There’s no need to hate on either fighter/org. (Also that wasn’t a knock out dumbass).
Shogun was definitely not on his A-game that night, but I don’t take anything from Griffin, he won that decisively.
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in 7-3-2008 at 16:08:47 from 72.60.99.187
this fake fight very clear and abovious ,
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in 7-3-2008 at 19:33:23 from 70.110.139.35
What happened to Pride??? can someone tell me more about it??? Is that true that Zuffa purchased Pride and for what reason!!!!
Says,
in 7-21-2008 at 23:32:12 from 71.65.109.131
Tarik,
So you’re saying that this fight was a hoax and was staged? Are you a Rua fanboy? He’s an excellent fighter but surely he had a bad night. One man’s bad night is another man’s good one, FG capitalized on it and that’s what a fight is all about you moron.
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in 7-30-2008 at 18:10:23 from 70.77.49.30
Shogun didn’t have a terrible night, he just didn’t have a fixed fight or have any steroid in him because UFC actually does do drug testing.
Says,
in 8-3-2008 at 22:50:03 from 76.95.65.76
I can’t believe you people who actually think these fights are fixed or that they win cause they’re on steroids. What drugs are YOU guys on?? Steroid use among non-HWs is virtually unheard of. Non HW fighters can’t afford to do steroids because they have to make weight.
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in 8-3-2008 at 22:51:03 from 76.95.65.76
Anyway, I’m with everyone whose actually seen Shogun fight before this bout. The guy is a phenom. He utterly destroyed Rampage and made it look like a sparring session. Just think about that for a second. I’ve seen him destroy a guy Crocop, a big HW, couldn’t KO despite hitting him with everything he had. I think it’s bloody obvious what happened: he showed up in lousy condition. Probably had a very swollen head coming in, something Griffin has no issues with. I don’t buy Shogun’s knee injury claim, there are many ways to train cardio besides running. All that said, it’s remarkable how utterly ineffective Shogun looked even in the 1st round when conditioning had not yet become a factor. Whatever the reason, that wasn’t Shogun in there. A real head scratcher, we’ll probably never know the full story. All that said, full credit must go to Forrest. He heard all the stories and hype about Shogun and didn’t even blink. Amazing set of stones on him, and he always comes PREPARED. Shogun could learn much from him.
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