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2 TUFF Says, in 3-12-2008 at 17:37:55 from 24.78.48.224    

Pride i beleive had all the best ehavy weights. the reason why they do so bad in ufc is because in pride the fighters were always pressured to have stand up fights. UFC is american and the americans take their wreslting very seriously and with the ground game it was only natural that jui jitsu became a more comin thing. in Japan kick boxing and kung fu and other stand up styles are favored. Thats why fighters like Mirko and wanderlei do so bad when the fight goes to the ground, it gets very awkward because the fighters career was always based on the stand up so thats mostly all they train for.

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jhackett44 Says, in 3-12-2008 at 18:05:57 from 66.220.118.133    

Tuff well said. In pride they actually give yellow cards if you’ve been on the ground too long, that’s 10% of each fighters’ purse. It’s crazy they did that. Hunt is gonna fight Fedor again though. Hunt was dominating their previous fight and got lazy and was submitted. This does nothing for Fedor to fight a guy coming out of retirement. So stupid. Whatever though, it’s his career.

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marquito76r Says, in 3-12-2008 at 18:19:51 from 99.234.250.251    

does this mean Fedor is going to DREAM! Perfect

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mefninja Says, in 3-12-2008 at 18:48:09 from 70.48.229.23    

you kinda got a point.. when it comes to heavyweight.. but lots of japanese mma fighters are based of jitsu and judo.. soo your statement at the same time is kinda wrong..

fedor is way to overrated.. i hope hunt finishes him this time.. i real would have liked it if fedor came to ufc lost like crocop and went back to japan.. man. that would be satisfying

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j_satan_666 Says, in 3-12-2008 at 19:48:00 from 74.2.119.98    

mark hunt is one of the best stand up heavies if not the best. if he’s to bang with fedor he needs to work on ground defense, and stand up out of fedor’s guard. when they fought the first time i loved it. they are both my favorite heavy weights along with minatoro.

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Erik Says, in 3-12-2008 at 20:40:10 from 128.208.116.193    

2 TUFF, that has to be the most fucking ridiculous reason I’ve heard so far about why PRIDE fighters aren’t doing as well in the UFC. It’s called Mixed Martial Arts. That includes wrestling. OK, so in the Filipovic/Gonzaga fight, the fight was restarted and still got finished in the 1st round. I really can’t see other than elbows how that is so different in PRIDE. The Silva comment is even more retarded. That fight between him and Liddell spent about 20 seconds on the ground.

There are a couple reasons the UFC doesn’t restart fights as much. A) The UFC traces itself back to the Gracie family and Vale Tudo where there are no restarts at all B) The UFC is more of a realistic situation and not as much of a show spectacle. There are no cards for being “boring” or allowing a fighter to get stomped and soccer kicked about 10 times because it somehow pleases the audience more.

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Brendan Says, in 3-12-2008 at 23:09:16 from 146.171.254.66    

Hunt vs Ray Sefo (NZ’s only other great fighter) was one of the best stand up fights ever.

Will be good to see hunt back as I like to watch a good street brawler in action.Hunt vs kimbo would be a punchfest worth watching.

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Brendan Says, in 3-12-2008 at 23:20:33 from 146.171.254.66    

Also I can’t see why people still go on about pride fighters not doing well in the UFC,Pride fighters hold the UFC’s heavyweight,light heavyweight and middleweight titles atm.

Yeah sure crocop and silva didn’t do too well but does two fighters not coping with the cage/rules make all pride fighters crap…I don’t think so.

I agree the cage favours grapplers/wrestlers over strikers as its hard to cut someone off to strike them in what is basically a circle and its hard to keep distance in it as its so small but these fighters know the deal when they sign up so excuses like that don’t really wash with me.

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ufcisterrible Says, in 3-13-2008 at 01:44:43 from 24.193.137.240    

” There are no cards for being “boring” or allowing a fighter to get stomped and soccer kicked about 10 times because it somehow pleases the audience more. ”

Erik you are a terrible person. Somehow pleases the audience more? that Definetly pleases the audience more, american or japanese or whatver.

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Corey Says, in 3-13-2008 at 05:51:05 from 12.157.134.103    

Hear Hear, Brendan. Well said. Also, Silva and Cro Cop werent placed up against no names or under dogs. And cro cop took a couple kicks to the groin and still managed to go the distance. How many of you could take two solid kicks to the nuts and keep fighting? Silva lost to.. Chuck Liddell. the guy who knocked out Couture. Twice. I am happy hunt is coming back to compete, but.. hahaha, did any of you guys catch the interview of Fedors offical webpage about his fight with mark hunt? Direct quote from the interview, “FEDOR: Yes, it was just one round. I could have won much earlier, during the second minute, but it didn’t quite work out, that is, I went a little easy on him, and….” Yeah I rest my case.

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Anger Says, in 3-13-2008 at 17:21:01 from 66.60.145.16    

The argument that PRIDE Heavyweights are better, but can’t fight on the ground, makes no sense. The best fighters are dominant anywhere. Stand up, ground, clinch. That is like saying Shaq is the greatest basketball player, he just cant shoot from outside of 10 ft or make a free throw. UFC fighters are much more well rounded fighters than PRIDE guys. And don’t tell me Anderson Silva is a PRIDE guy, he has been in the UFC for almost 3 years now.

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Ash Says, in 3-13-2008 at 18:42:01 from 121.45.165.107    

Hows the brisvegas Brendan?? Training much??

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The Black Spoon Says, in 3-13-2008 at 20:17:34 from 210.185.14.24    

Yellow cards were given for inactivity/stalling. Not for “being on the ground to long”. Did any of you actaully watch Pride?

Its a joke how people still try to say former Pride fighters dont do well in the UFC, despite Nog taking the HW title and Rampage KOing Chuck on his hometurf. Maybe CroCop is just past it? I mean he’d been talking about retiring for years now – and hes been KO’d by fighters he should beat many times before. I wasn’t surprised Shogun lost to Forest either. If you followed the sport none of these things should be a shock.

And since when has Mark Hunt been known as “The Hammer”?

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j_satan_666 Says, in 3-13-2008 at 21:37:01 from 75.62.110.2    

kimbo vs. hunt would be sweet. would hunts head of iron take punches from that mound of muscle? good thought brendan

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Zuke Says, in 3-14-2008 at 00:13:14 from 72.140.67.60    

There are severall reasons they are not doing well. The UFC favors wrestlers. There are no knees to the head of a downed opponent. Then when a wrestler is working a single or double he does not have to worry about eating knees if he is grounded.

Soccer Kicks and Stomps are VERY MUCH a realistic part of fighting. If a guy is knocked to the ground your first instinct is to kick or stomp the head. Not bend over and punch.LOL.

Prides Rules favored nobody. UFC favors grapplers.

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Sandman Says, in 3-14-2008 at 08:07:25 from 24.132.174.147    

I don’t get it why people want to see fedor lose.Be honest guys fedor is a good fighter.

I also think a lot of people don’t like it that fedor is not coming to the ufc. and therefore talking bad about fedor.
What if fedor was an american would people talk the same about him??

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BIG PIPES Says, in 3-14-2008 at 10:29:18 from 99.246.134.170    

It’s true, Hunt will fight Fedor in 2008. Schilt is just being used as a warm-up fight for “The Hunter”.

Fedor’s warm-up fight will be against HMC…..again!

Fedor vs HMC rematch should break a whole bunch of pay per view records. Personally, I would rather see Fedor end Randy C’s career, but I don’t make the match-ups.

Fedor has been training with Mac Danzig, so we should see a new and very much improved Fedor. The training waitlist with Danzig is miles long.

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TygerYG Says, in 3-14-2008 at 15:42:57 from 24.84.33.112    

Pride fighters already have 4 championship belts under Zuffa Noguriea, Rampage, Spida Silva, and Paulo Filho. So I think the Pride fighters are doing just fine. You think UFC is going to make it easy for them? Also recent big title fights have been Pride fighter vs Pride fighter(Dan Henderson)

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Steamer Bean Says, in 3-15-2008 at 06:05:26 from 70.169.216.163    

I loved Pride! Lots of great fights. But lets be honest, if you look at the early days before Fedor the cards were comprised of fighters who had been beat out of the UFC. Right now the best fighters in the world are squaring off in America. Fedors most recent fights have been Hunt, Coleman, Choy and Lindland. The only one of these who could be considered top flight is Hunt. Now he’s going to fight for Dream? I’m not even taking him seriously at this point. Sounds like he’s more concerned with staying undefeated than being a top flight heavy weight. Enjoy your career as a Japanese puppet dude.

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ace Says, in 3-15-2008 at 11:06:23 from 219.79.193.65    

better than being the american bitch at least the japs pay more, ufc just want to monopolise and controls everything. they bought a good organization like pride and destroyed it because they couldn’t compete otherwise. fedor is still the best no americans in the hw has the talent to beat him!

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AuSteve Says, in 3-15-2008 at 21:50:41 from 122.49.156.243    

how can u ppl not take Fedor seriously??? he absolutley destroy Nog…and Nog is the Interim HW Champ of the UFC?? fucking morons

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Mochan Says, in 3-24-2008 at 21:30:37 from 66.196.129.44    

So much misinformation. In Pride you are given yellow/green cards when you stall, not when you go to the ground. There have been instances where fighters were given the yellow while standing. In the UFC, if you stall on the ground too long they stand you up, there is just no yellow card. Pride restarts stalling faster because the mandate in Pride is action, people want to see action whether it’s standing or on the ground, they don’t want any lay and pray antics or standup runners. The crowd pays to see action, not slow manhugging.

Fedor was Pride’s champion, he favored ground fighting. Nogueira fought a standup war with Tim and lost until he got the sweep to his ground submission victory. Wandy and Mirko do bad on the ground because they are standup fighters. The reason Mirko did bad in the UFC though are 2 UFC-specific factors: elbows on the ground (which Gonzaga used to destroy him) and the cage (which Kongo used to hug and press Mirko against, nullifying his game, let’s not even talk about the 5 nutshots Kongo threw with no point deduction). Both fighters came in with a gameplan that Mirko had no answers for, and Mirko has always been mentally weak in that his game would crumble if the going got tough (this also happened in Pride, see his fight against Hunt in particular). Since Mirko was stalled by the opposing fighter’s gameplan, he couldn’t recover and thus lost. Wanderlei has had one fight against Chuck, a bigger counterpuncher whose style is custommade to eat up aggressive brawlers like Wanderlei. His losing streak began in Pride, not in the UFC.

UFC favors wresters because of the cage, which is a useful tool for wrestlers who want to ground and pound, and the larger size actually makes it harder for orthodox strikers to corner their opponent. On the other hand, Pride also favors ground fights in a way by giving a ten minute first round, which gives ground people time to work their magic.

Stop this nonsense about Pride fighters being standup specialists training for standup only.
And finally, Pride fighters are not doing badly in the UFC, the three heaviest belts in the UFC are held by ex-Pride fighters.

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Mochan Says, in 3-24-2008 at 21:36:43 from 66.196.129.44    

@Steamer Bean

The best fighters in the world are squaring off in America? The UFC HW Division is not all that good.

We have Nogueira, Tim Sylvia. That’s about it. If you want to count Kongo as a top HW, be my guest but Herring just exposed him like students of the game knew he would. Gonzaga has been exposed as well to have no fighting spirit. Jake O’Brien is not quite there yet either.

Randy is gone, Arlovski is not expected to re-sign, and hell Tim even dropped hints that he wanted to move to M1 (even if he later recanted). How exactly is the UFC the place to be for HW fights?

On the other hand with M1 soon to be defunct, Fedor will most likely be signing with Dream, Hunt is there, Kharitonov is there, Schilt is there, Barnett will either stay in Sengoku or move to Dream, say what you want about Mirko he is a bit of a has-been like Myr but he’s also there.

Dream is at least a wash with UFC in terms of HW competition. Fedor fighting in Dream is not a joke.


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