I added on to my argument? I simply said I did full-contact tournaments, I said nothing as to the discipline. You just made an assumption that I only did Judo tournmanents. It’s not adding if I didn’t explain. I didn’t think I’d have to as you say you’re a martial artist. There’s no full-contact bare knuckle Judo or BJJ tournaments, as there’s no striking in grappling tournaments. So, there was only one other option. Apparently I gave you a little too much credit in thinking that you could figure that out for yourself. My mistake, I’ll try to dumb down my arguments for you.

So, Cung Le hasn’t fought good competition. Do you think you could take Frank Shamrock? Better yet, do you think you can take Cung Le? No, you haven’t fought at that level, cause who the hell has heard of you? Don’t compare yourself to him, you’re not famous, not even close. 4 out of the 6 opponents Cung Le has fought have over 20 pro fights, tons of experience. Anyway, who has Diaz fought? Or his opponents? Anyone at Shamrock’s level, Or Tony Fryklands? Or Sammy Morgan’s? Nope. Like I said, Cung Le hasn’t had that many MMA fights, but his San Shou record is something like 17-0. The man has had over 20 professional fights without a loss. So beyond his MMA career, his record is impressive, seems like you skipped another part of the post and based your argument off of a small portion of mine, once again.

My friend read my post because I was confused as to how you were having so much trouble understanding my arguments. I had him read it because he’s my proof-reader, you should get one, he reads my essays and and papers for school (Before you make an ass out of yourself again in assuming my age, they’re my undergrad classes.) to make sure they make sense. His job is too tell me whether or not I’m properly putting things together,and my arguments make sense and are properly supported; not to give me an ego boost. It’s why I ask him. He’s honest. At least I bother to proof read mine, especially when you insult my intelligence when your posts are barely understandable with the terrible punctuation, grammar, and run on sentences. I don’t want to hear the whole “I just don’t care” response, cause clearly you do.

As for kick to the jaw AFTER the fight? You’re putting Manny’s dirty kick on THAT level? In case you didn’t realize, Manny kicked his opponent DURING the match, not before or after, does the ref not say “Come out fighting, protect yourselves at all times” right at the beginning of the fight? It was fair, and legal. To say that you would have kicked him after the fight just shows your true nature.

You have yet to argue against my main point, Manny’s kick was dirty but fair, and certainly not more disdainful than Diaz’s arrogant taunting after sinking the submission. People’s approval of Diaz’s attitude, but distaste for Manny’s behavior is hypocritical.

i tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but i guess there is no point of arguing this. because you say one thing, then add onto it during a debate such as NOW you — “Now, I’ve done Judo, BJJ and Kyokushin tournaments, so I’m not limited to Judo as you can hardly call those full contact.” keep trying to make your argument or debate look better by adding more to what you have done or think AFTER your previous statement.

you had a FRIEND read them. that’s like asking a friend if you were right or wrong in a break up…because who are they going to defend? your immaturity is truly shining at this point.

but off subject, huerta would dominate both manny and diaz. but back on subject it was a bitch kick…there was no reason for it, and if i was the other guy…i would’ve threw a kick in his jaw after the fight then we could see his defenders try to argue that point with their fucked up thoughts on what is fair or not.

I’m not sure what you mean by better defend my inflections and arguments, as I give an ample amount of evidence. I did go check the records of most of the opponents Diaz has fought and I’m thoroughly unimpressed. As for 3 losses and less than 10 wins being a poor record, I never said that, but it is certainly not great record. If anything they’re average, typical records you’ll find amongst most stepping stones in the UFC. Which is what they’ve been giving both Manny and Nate. I’d very much like to see if EITHER of them could handle a top 10 155er, like Guida or Griffon. Better yet, seeing as how I don’t think Huerta has been solidly challenged, why not a fight between Huerta and Diaz? Sounds like a main event to me as everyone loves those guys.

Anyway, I failed to see a point where I made myself SOUND dumb, as all of the evidence that you’ve attempted to use against me from my own posts ended up being you not fully reading or understanding the sentence. I’ve had a chance to have a friend read my posts to see if I made any of them unclear, he understood what I was saying perfectly and was also confused by your rebuttal. So I often wonder where some of your claims come from.

For the record, I never once thought of this as an offensive argument, more of a standard debate. Of course it has strayed far off topic. My original point was that Manny’s kick was hardly more classless than Diaz’s shameless taunting at the end of his fight. People celebrated Diaz’s behavior and were just appalled by Manny’s; it’s unfair and hypocritical.

One last thing, Cung Le’s record isn’t great? Last I checked he’s undefeated. Granted he has only 6 Pro-MMA fights, they don’t count the type of competitions he was doing before Pro-MMA, which some would say takes more skill. He did San Shou for several years where ground fighting is non-existent, but he was undefeated in that as well. I’d say his record speaks for itself. As it’s amazing. You can hardly compare Diaz’s competition to Cung Le.

manny has simply submitted WEAK guys quickly and efficiently. maybe, over the internet9come on now, is it that big of a deal), that i did not fulyl get what you had said given you did not fully describe what you meant in an arguement. that means yo should better defend your inflections/opinions/arguments with better detail and don’t make yourself SOUND dumb somtimes. because you are obviously not a dumb kid. this will all be settled when and if diaz and manny do fight, but keep in mind…from the beginning i’ve only said diaz has a good ground game. but fighters can also PROGRESS, and MAYBE diaz CAN get a good stand up. who knows? i mean, this is MMA… you train to get better, not stay the same or get worse. and i rarely get hit because i know how to properly defend myself or outwit my opponent. when i see someone, i immediately measure them up and look for flaws. even those who i am not fighting. seems to have worked for me this long never losing a tournament and being 5-0…but like all things in life, shit happens and i am bound to lose. but until i do, my opinions are backed up by fact. a side kick can hurt you more than just a push dude, cause i have seen it do worse damage. like any kick, you don’t just use a leg, but you push off with the other, hip movement, etc…i actually like debating with you. if ou ever want to get ahold of me, then my email is l0v31ssu1c1d3@yahoo. com, and i will gladly be there to discuss matches that happeend in the past or upcoming. i predict fights all of the time and i am always 90% of the time right. especially this past fight night where i picked all of the winners except the tommy spears match because i had never heard of anthony johnson, oddly, until that night. he was a beast though and i like anthony alot now. anyways, that is my spiel. trying to turn this into a positive.

As for Diaz fighting great competition, who are you talking about? Alvin Robinson? Junior Assuncao? Yeah Top notch fighters there. 9-3 and 6-3. So those are record to back up their skills huh? These guy’s records are only 1 fight better than the guys Manny has fought. The best guy Diaz has fought is Pelligrino, and he sucks. Diaz completely lost the first round to this guy, and it actually looked like he threw the fight. He was in a safe position in the closed guard, then it looked like he intentionally put him self in position for the triangle, all Diaz did was lay there and throw a couple of punches from guard. Manny bulldogged and submitted both his opponents quickly and efficiently. I can’t wait till Diaz fights someone with skill, he’s going to have a crappy night.

and taking something out of context, if that were the case, over the internet is normal kiddo. it’s the internet so facial expressions, sarcasm, and such can’t be seen unless hinted at per say.

back to the diaz and manny thing though…notice how you keep referring to HOW LONG AGO when manny and diaz fought? aren’t fighters supposed to, ann allowed to progress? whos to say the fight would go the same? you’re just assuming this and stating because manny beat two shithead guys that weren’t great whatsoever. my point since the beginning is that diaz at least fought guys who were well known and had damn good records to back up the fact that he fought good competition. might wanna try learning how to read before you jump to conclusions and use a statement such as calling someones opinions and facts weak when you yourself have not only never been in the ring, but your opinions are in no way backed up by fact.

to study is to perform or act upon, not read upon my boy like you might nkow a thing or two. one day you’ll learn that either through getting off the internet and practicing an art form fully, or getting in the ring….i don’t see you ever getting in the ring, so you’ll only judge like a spectator would.