Lyoto Machida vs. Mauricio Shogun Rua Fight Video UFC 104

worst decision ever. he won every round, pushed the pace, picked him apart with kicks, landed more shots, and landed more effective shots, got a take down. weathered the storm.. i think this decision really hurts mma. my hero got robbed of his belt. dana white even told him he won after the fight. watch the replay..

SHOGUN FOREVER!

shogun got robbed

I am a huge Machida fan. But I have to admit, this is the first loss is Machida’s career. There is absolutely no way he won this fight by “unanimous decision”. This is one of the most biased decision I’ve seen by the judges in UFC. Sucks for Shogun and the sport!

Turn off the Sound……Shogun Owned this fight….The Karate Kid Lost….but,
we all know the money is in the rematch.
Shame mma is getting the same rap as boxing lately…lessons never learned

Listen to me because i know it all (-: the reason for such an atrocious decision is simple, they want and will have anderson silva vs machda, it would break all kinds of PPV numbers. yes showgun easily won that fight, which goes to show that MMA is just as corrupt as boxing, but dana white regardless of what he said after the fight has to have knowledge of which way the fight will go if it goes to a decision. i love the fight game whether it’s boxing or MMA but the sad truth is that to a certain extent unless a knockout is scored the match game pitting superstar vs superstar can be manipulated in a number of ways, keep away tactics by the champion insuring that as long as he survives he’ll remain champion because the judges are in on it, or by the commentator telling you things about the action that is simply not happening.. i feel sorry for showgun, i like machida but he clearly lost.

I agree with Robert, at one point Goldberg did say, “You’ve been saying Shogun all night.”

Probably from their commentators angle, all they see is the kick, but what I saw was at every attempt his kick went limp do to his jab which he HAD to block.

4-1 Shotgun, anyone that says Machida won is wrong. I will bet that Machida went to the hospital or will go to the hospital after the beating he took. I would also bet that Machida’s legs are so messed up he is limping today. Shogun will not be so patient next time because he knows he can mess Machida up, and he will destroy Machida.

worst decision ever x 2. Shogun took the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th. 3 v close. This will reflect very badly on the credibility of the ufc. Every time machida struck Shogun countered. Machida had nothing and was destroyed by Shoguns’s kicks to the body and legs… and I’m a Machida fan! But Shogun solved the riddle of Machida.

While I think Shogun looked awesome, and I am happy he’s back in tip-top form, I am old school and believe that to beat the Champ, you have to REALLY beat ‘em. It’s not like Shogun was ever wailing on Machida, nor did he significantly have him hurt. At most, Machida looked thrown off and was trying to make adjustments. Shogun was the aggressor-of course! He was trying to get that belt, but did he win? I’d say at best it was a draw, but you can’t have that in a championship fight. So if you don’t clean the champs clock, you lose. I also saw moments where Machida could have had Shogun in trouble, but he wouldn’t keep following through. I think the rematch is going to be better.

Shogun = Robbed….Piss Poor Decision

Don’t blame the UFC for things the athletic commision does.

Man, you can wait your whole life for a fight between Anderson and Machida. It’s never going to happen. The guys are friends, they have the same manager, same sponsors, train together, anderson was even in Machida’s corner yesterday. But I’ll tell you this… if the judges had given the decision to Shogun yesterday, you could see a fight between Silva and Rua. And that would be a hell of a fight.

shogun got robbed…

no se puede ser un peleador de MMA si solo se pelea corriendo y huyendo,, eso no es un estilo eso es un amriconada.

That was like Bisping .vs. Matt The Hammer

I have some rounds down as draws but I think shogun did enough to win. I think even lyoto knows hes lucky to have his belt

mma messiah i completely agree. the only way to make this right is let shogun get the next title shot. there isnt really anyone else in line right now anyways. (i know light heavyweight is staked but no one stands out right now as a top contender)

Felt gutted about machida winning. Shogun deserved to win. He did push himself, he was focused and he did a great job. I am very sad that machida fought in that way. Shogun I’m a huge fan of you, I am sure very soon you will get that belt you deserve.

Shogun slayed the dragon. Chute boxe and muay thai OWNED black house and karate last night… These judges and the organization truly dishonored mixed martial arts…

Shogun won that fight by a decisive point but they want to see a clear destruction to the champion to pass the belt. BS but this is how the UFC wants it.

pwner you are an idiot, plain and simple. rua won every single round by a large margin

hey eatdagirls, ur an idiot and dont kno anything. silva and machida are boys and both refuse to fight eachother. it mite happen sumday but definately not anytime soon because they are both against it.

shogun won with desicion but he needed to do more work to get bell like what machida did to rashad

Shogun clearly won! I guess to beat a great Karateka you need a great Muay Thai fighter!

As for Rogan’s commentating, that’s how the fight played out!!! He started evenly, but as the fight progressed everybody could see Shogun’s harder shots. I also looked at the fight final stats: Shogun landed a total of 82 vs Lyoto’s 42. Leg Kicks Shogun landed 48 vs 2 for Lyoto. Go look them up. Lyoto is very sore today.

As for the guy saying GSP doesn’t knock people out since he became champion……he may not knock people out but he wins the fights decisively!!

I like machida but shogun won that fight.

For those ignorent Machida-fans who´s to stupid or to proud to admit that he lost, just proves how little you know aboat mma.

This is what some of the biggest mma-reporters and sites scored the bout, whitch clearly shows who´s the winner. Not one person had Machida…

MMAMania 50-45 Rua
Yahoo Sports/Cagewriter 48-47 Rua
BloodyElbow 48-47 Rua
USAToday 48-47 Rua, 49-46 Rua
ESPN/Jake Rossen 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMA Fanhouse/Michael David Smith 48-47 Rua
CagePotato 49-46 Rua
MMATorch 48-47 Rua
MMAJunkie 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
ProMMA.Info 50-45 Rua
Sports Illustrated 48-47 Rua
Sherdog Jordan Breen – 48-47 Rua, Brian Knapp – 48-47 Rua, Mike Fridley – 50-45 Rua

Why wasn’t Rogan calling any of the punches that Machida was landing? Half the time Rua landed a body kick, Machida was countering. Machida won rounds 1 and 3. Rua won 4 and 5. Round 2 could have gone either way. Very close fight.

I like Machida a lot but EVERYBODY KNOWS SHOGUN won the fight.. it’s all about the Benjamins!! Ticket sales. Doesn’t take a genius to figure that out. Just like boxing. Shogun got robbed just like Donald Cerrone got robbed of getting the belt in the WEC twice now!

Though I do agree that this fight in no way should have been a unanimous decision, it still could have gone either way. It was definitely closer than how the shogun nut hugger, joe rogan saw it. Shogun did have some devastating leg kicks but he was also getting rocked by Machida’s punches. Rounds 1-3 could have gone to Lyoto but 4 and 5 were definitely Shoguns.

For all you “do more work” idiots slowing it down was Shoguns game plan.. He stuck to it, did more damage, and pushed the pace.

OK clearly shogun won this match to all u machida nuthuggers watch the fight again, with or without volume either way if you were smart youd be able to see that Shogun landed wayyy more strikes and had the better strategy and implented his game plan well…and if that doesnt convince u then look at machida’s face at the end of the fight and compare it to shogun, matter of fact look at his ribs as well and compare it with shoguns, machida landed nasty knees to shoguns body but thats about it, n it didnt even leave a mark as much as shoguns shot to machidas body did

um shaa is it just me or did most of the hits from machida throw get blocked o yea they did

All this “to be the champ you have to REALLY beat the champ” is a bunch of nonsense, if you win a fight you win a f^cking fight. There’s no clause that says you can only win by knockout or some other stupid crap like that, how many great championship battles have been very close highly contested fights, and at the end was the challenger not allowed to be champion just because it was close?

And to those that think Machida won I think it’s a matter of them not understanding just how much damage Rua was doing to Machida with the leg and body kicks, someone pointed out they had to ice Lyoto’s legs in between the rounds. And just look at Lyoto’s body language by the end of the fight, he was a man that looked defeated because he knew he had lost.

It’s not about the commentary if Rua knew, Lyoto knew, the fans at the show knew, the fans at home knew, and all the columnists knew that Rua had it, even Dana White said Rua won in his opinion.

And how is there a Shogun bias when no one even expected him to be able to compete against “the golden one” as he was seen in the eyes of the majority.

A CSAC turnover of the decision needs to be made. Imagine if you’re Shogun and trained hundreds of hours for this fight. You need to go through it AGAIN to prove you’re better? A rematch is bullsh*t. A turnover and acknowledgment of poor judging needs to happen.

Jaykidd & Awsit listen to me because i know it all (-: I won’t disrespect u guys but rather address your point, both silva & machida don’t have a say on whether they fight each other or not, ultimately the UFC signs their paychecks and if dana white says and he emphatically has repeated that the fight will happen then friends or butt buddies the two will fight! on another note cecil peeples has got to go!! that old fool is a terrible judge, and on a third note. since i know it all take it from me, lesnar will lose to carwin and cain will destroy carwin, cain my friends is a MONSTER..

wow boring as hell n i hope what i say pisses people off.by round 3 i was bored to death by round 4 i stopped watching. both guys fought like cowards.that many rounds and not a single hard shot landed.
AND I DEFINETLY DIDNT SEE EITHER GUY DO %#@!! THAT MADE HIM DESERVE THE WIN LOL!!!
so yell at me and say im an idiot
im a mma judge, i fight, i train n been in the sport for 11 years.

i agree that rogan was very biased.

i saw the fight with machida leading 3-2. round 1 could go either way though.

no on mentioned anything when machida was on the offensive when he got shogun off guard in round 3. also, in there were couple big knees to stomach of shogun.

all in all, this is rematch worth buying into. this is by far the best main event for me.

Machida is a great fighter, but there is just no way he could have won that fight. The last 2 rounds he did absolutely nothing! He looked confused and out of rhythm. Shogun executed perfectly and Machida had no answers. Look at Machida’s face after the fight. That is a look of defeat. He was even surprise when his name was announced as the winner. If he was a real champ, he would hand the belt over to Shogun and demand a rematch.

The problem is that the first two rounds were very close. When I watched it live, I thought Rua won because he clearly won rounds 4 and 5, and perhaps round 1 or 2. Then I watched it again with no sound and the fight seemed even closer. Machida definitely won round 3, and you can make at least make the case that 1 and 2. I still think it was the incorrect decision, but it is far from “the worst decision ever.” It’s clear that Rua’s strategy was to try to outpoint Machida because he never tried (or even came close) to knocking Machida out or submitting him. Machida, on the other hand, was looking for openings to try an knock Rua out with power punches, knees, and head kick. I don’t really feel sorry for Rua because that’s what might happen (as even Dana said) when all you do is try to outpoint the champion. Rua’s corner also screwed up by telling Rua that “it’s over” after the 4th round. How was it “over” at this point? Rua won round 4, lost round 3, and 1 and 2 were too close to call with any certainty. Close fight, Rua probably edged it, but Rua should have done more.

Also just to say Machida looked soft in this fight like he was nervous. like he tightened up or something cuz he was not light on his feet like he normally is.<—- even before the leg kicks of doom….the two styles going against each other were fun to watch.Plus i do think it was a good fight.the two styles going against each other were fun to watch…. i would like to see the rematch free on spike.

machida won

joe rogan is biased for the underdog

mute the sound and then watch the fights

machida won first 3 rounds

Shogun did not kick his ass, so you guys who said that are knobs. It was a close fight, the commentating was definitely on Shoguns side which may have influenced my thoughts a bit but I was almost certain that Shogun would edge out the decision. Rematch for sure.

Hahaha this would never had happened in Pride. Only in america you pull shit like this. If this fight was over in Pride a couple of years ago, you all Shogun none knowing would have seen a very different decision. I’ve read comments like, you’ve got to knock the champ down to win the belt. Can I ask you people, what are the judges job then in that case? You don’t even have to know anythin about MMA to see that Shogun clearly won.

I agree with mmafan 100%.

twana, ur statement isn’t correct. Forrest didn’t beat the champion and he was awarded the decision…

MACHIDA WON..WATCH THE FIGHT WITHOUT THE BIASED COMMENTARY!Too hell with all you guys who say Shogun won cause looking at the number of head shots and attacks and counter attacks Machida leads by far. Try watching the fight without the audio commentary and you’ll see that machida clearly won, Shogun was ahead on leg strikes which dont score as high as head strikes. MACHIDA IS A BAD ASS PERIOD AND HE DESERVED TO WIN THIS FIGHT!

A few people are saying that machida returned every kick with a jab. Come to my gym and let me jab you in the face and then kick you in the leg or body.I think pretty quick you will realizes which hurts more. For the record I saw this fight with a bunch of buddies and with all of us yelling you can’t hear anything goldy or rogan says. I suggest to everyone try it way better. Shogun won that fight.

And sorry one more thing. The comments about that Rogan mentioned his kicks everytime machida punched him. Yeah the answer to that…..
None of Machidas punches did anything to shogun. I didn’t see Shogun cut, out of breath or even knocked down by any of Machidas punches, so I guess Rogan did right in mentioning the more damaging strike, cuz people please, Machidas stance was ****** up…

Well, it’s hard for the judges to give the win to Rua. He never really landed anything significant and never really damaged Lyota. 90% of all kicks thrown was blocked even though Rogan and that other douche jumps up and down everytime Rua threw one. Everyone knows that you have to “beat” the champ. Machida on the other hand landed many shots including several vicious knees to the body that took the air out of Rua and had him reeling at least once. If anything this fight should be a draw.

Very close bout that should’ve been deemed a draw..If you watch the entire fight over with the volume turned down to zero you really do see things more even, and Machida does in fact outscore Rua w points..there was definitely bias commenting affecting peoples perception of the outcome and an immediate rematch should be granted to Shogun for a gutsy performance.

you have to be retarded to think that machida won this fight. this was horrible. machida had his speed taken away and could do nothing to hurt rua. great gameplan, and rua got screwed.

Shogun all the way!!! Karate boy is gonna be pissing blood for days and who ever thinks Machida will ever fight The Spyder is a “RETARD”

JOKE – Dana put the belt on him and then went straight over to Shogun…he knows this was a wrong decision. What fight were the judges watching. Makes me sick!

Commentators were at their worst. That was awful. Great job by Rua but I still saw the fight 28-27 Machida. Rounds one through three were all Machida all day. The last two were Rua’s (the fifth could have been different if Machida had committed to more knees).

Damn the UFC needs people who actually know something about MMA as commentators.

Decison aside there are two good things to take from the fight. Shogun is IN FORM again, and machida no longer looks invincible! 2 defences max.

Nice fight.
Great skills.
Great athletes.
I’m glad to see them both leave the ring paid and healthy.
Two dangerous fighters were both able to leave the ring without devastating injuries or without being KOd.

do the judges give points on how hard the fighter hit also? or just the number of hits landed?

true Eatdagirls – sho gun won! at least the world know it. p.s. st. pierr is now call grease boy* he’s no true champ

true Eatdagirls – sho gun won! at least the world know it. p.s. st. pierr is now call grease boy* he’s no true champ…………

Rua – 82 strikes

Machida – 42 strikes

Come on! The statistics don’t lie. The clear winner is: SHOGUN!!!

So you can’t dethrone a champ by kicking him in the leg, huh?
That’s exactly how Forrest “beat” Rampage, no?

DUDE!!!

SHOGUN GOT ROBBED!

Machida played a great counterfight to a loss!

Watched the fight after reading about how one sided it was, clearly it was not. Shogun was clearly one dimensional, virtually nothing but leg kicks, which is fine, considering the damage he did to Machida’s side, but if that’s all you are going to do, you have to find a way to finish it. The fight was close enough for Machida to get the decision. I think the judges called it right, and i agree with other posters on Rogan/Goldbergs bias.

So funny how everyone who defends lyoto in this fight is saying Shogun had to do more than leg kicks to win the belt.

Then Rampage should have never lost his belt to Forrest.

what the hell was that? unanimous decision? worst decision ever… i even disagree if machida won in split decision. When i saw this fight its all shogun…

1st round-toss up 2nd round-shogun 3rd round-machida 4th round- shogun 5th round- toss up
You have to beat the champ to become the champ

Perfect fight plan, He has opened the door, on how to defeat Machida. His Legs were gone half way through the third round. You could tell even Machida was surprised to win. I am a Machida fan, but Shogun was robbed of that victory. TERRIBLE DECISION!!

shut up guys showgunrua just win the fight fair and square

I dont care sound or no sound. Shogun won this fight without a question. Anyone who says other wise is blind by a fighter they like. I for one dont like either fighter so I am nuetral on my take on the fight. Machida legs and body were crushed by shogun. This is just stupid. This is the reason I quit watching boxing. This reminds me of the boxing match between Briggs vs. Foreman (Last real boxing match I watched by the way)a horrible decision based out of someones pockets. Just horrible for the sport. I ashamed of being a UFC fan. For a long time I have defended Dana White in hope that it wasn’t Don King all over again. Just ashamed and crushed that this happens in any pro sport. And for all of you that think diffrent open your eyes and smell the money. P.S. thanks Bruno for the fight. I am glad I didn’t order this fight now.

machida won the 1st 3 rounds, fair decision. EVeryone just use to machida not takin som many shots

MMA is an evolving sport and there is definitely room for improvement, the two things that i see that absolutely need to change is the scoring system along with the size of the octagon. the octagon is way too big allowing fighters to run like gazelles in the serengetti, i hate to say it because i know how much people love this sport but championship boxing is so much better than MMA, the very best stand up MMA fighters wouldn’t stand a chance in a boxing match against a boxer ranked 200 in the world, i mean some of the stand up skills i see are just horrible.

I gave it to SHOGUN
3 rounds to 1
and 1 round a draw

I gave rounds 2,4 and 5 to Shogun, 1 and 3 to Machidah.

Did machida look like he won at the end of the fight before the decision???NO WAY. he knew hed lost,,shogun got ripped

Machida did not clearly win the fight, but neither did Rua. Look again at only rounds 1-3 and ask yourself if they could possilby go to Machida.
Since they were fairly close and Machida showed effective agression with intent to finish, the answer is yes, they could have gone to Machida, especially round 3, and especially since close rounds should go to the champion.
Even the rounds that belonged to Rua, 4 and 5 were close enough to only be 10-9 rounds, had Rua made one of those rounds 10-8’s he may be holding the belt.
Another thing that helped Machida is that Rua frequently missed and flailed with his kick attempts and all of his takedown attempts were expertly stuffed by Machida.
True enough, Machida did not look too good, but Rua had to know that rounds 1-3 were up for grabs, yet he did not feel the urgency in rounds 4 and 5.
Should be an even better fight on the rematch.

WOW, Judges are screwed up, Shogun won and Machida knows he lost that fight… LAME

When I watch this live last night I thought it was 3 rounds to 2 in favor of Shogun. Seeing it for the second time I think Machida might have won only one round, if that, this fight could’ve easily been 5 to 0 in favor of Shogun. Machida backpedaled as usual while landing love taps. Shogun was the aggressor in every minute of every round while at the same time landing damaging shots. The sad thing about this is you can tell Shogun busted his ass training for this fight and coming up with a gameplan to solve the “elusive” one. Even his cardio was great and he look as he could’ve gone atleast 2 more rounds with the “elusive” one. At the beginning of the ppv telecast they said Shogun’s resting heartbeat was at 42 beats per minute. That’s some sick ass conditioning. That’s some Lance Armstrong Tour de France type of conditioning. At the end of fight, all that didn’t mean shit because 3 dipshit judges decided they saw the fight in a different way. I feel bad for Shogun because not only did he get robbed of the belt, he also got robbed out his win bonus. MMA is starting to look a lot like boxing with bullshit decisions.

ufc is NOT MMA!

only in that ridiculously oversized octagon could Machida have gotten away with that Oscar de la Hoya like performance.
Only Shogun came to fight! The 10point must system is a scam you idiots! when will you all wake up? MMA shouldn’t be judged with a boxing criteria!

I’ve been trying to watch the fight for the last 24 hours but unfortunately where i am right now (thailand) my connection is fucking slow… i know the results but i can’t go further than the 2nd round and it d be amazing if somebody out there heard me and put a link to a video that loads faster… thanx

Theres no way Machida won. 4 rounds to 1 49-45 Shogun. The only round I gave to Machida was round 2. His round 3 flurry in the last 30 seconds wasn’t enough to overcome the first 4 minutes when Shogun was winning. At best you could give 2 rounds to Machida, but 3 is blasphemy. Shogun clearly won rounds 1, 4 and 5 and probably 2 and 3 too. This is the worst decision I’ve ever seen in MMA.

The statistics say it all:
Rua 82 strikes
Machida 42 strikes

Moreover, Rua’s (leg kicks especially) were much more powerful. I don’t see how you can give the fight to a fighter who only landed 1/2 as many strikes as their opponent. The commentary doesn’t affect the facts.

***WATCH FIGHT WITH NO COMMENTARY!!!!***

when i first saw the fight live i felt the way most did, that shogun had won. but then i waited a day and watched the fight again with the sound off to get an un-biased, un-joe roganed, opinion. this is how i scored it.

round 1: machida
round 2: draw
round 3: rua (except the flurry at the end by machida which was the only real substantial exchange in the fight.)
round 4: machida
round 5: rua

THIS FIGHT WAS RAZOR THIN! NO FOUL ON THE JUDGES! i had to really contemplate every round… and in the end i couldnt decide. i honestly feel that it wouldve been a fair judging if it went as a tie, machinda win by 1 point, or rua win by 1 point. look at the fight in an unbiased view and you will see. as far as damaged given and effective strikes it was dead even as shown by the judges. if the fight had gone on a couple more rounds i think rua wouldve won for sure, but as it stands i see the judging as adequate.

If we dont see that we’re delusional huh? as if you’re not biased just like the rest of us?

too funny lol

I think Machida only won round 3, with the rest going to Shogun. Everyone else in the room, with the exception of the three judges, thought Shogun won the fight. Man, this is the second time Shogun has been robbed. At least Rampage tried to give him the belt.

They should at least change this result to a “draw” if its possible. If not a “no contest”!

Sacanagem. Meteram a mão no Shogun. Que roubo discarado.É um absurdo. O Machida correu a luta toda. Prá mim o Shogun é o eterno campeão.
Shogun Wars.
O The best.

Yah i think ur right ufc is killing brazillian fighters just like theyve did with Wanderlei Silva in Silva vs Franklin fight. Wand clearly won it and now theyve do it with Shogun too.

Theyvs robbed Wand and Shougun!! Whos Next???

This forum has released more energy hidden in emotions than the fight itself. I think most people expected Machida to win including Fans of Shogun. The fight turned out to be a close one and all rooting for Shogun got blinded by the emotions running high, plus the commentators added extra spice to make action look different than it was. Shogun did not do enough to win the crown. My score 4 rounds to 1 for Machida.

I mean leg kicks are like kicking the arms of an opponent. The only count if the produce the effect (endurance, speed explosiveness) that leads you to hit the body and head and score or knockout your opponent. If you kill the legs but you are being hit to the body and head then you lose.

Finally got to watch it.

1 & 2 easily to Machida. 3rd to Machida but much closer. 4th to Rua only because Machida did nothing. Rua easily won the 5th. I guess that I don’t see what all the bitching is about.

watched the fight…..Shogun should have won. I’m tired of seeing Machida run his a$$ all around the ring like an idiot. Shogun proved himself worthy by fighting a great fight and being the aggressor. He was obviously smarter than Machida and Machida was hurt. His legs were giving out or his ribs were truly red. WAAAAARRR SHOGUN!!

OK, LISTEN TO ME NOW

I watched it again, this time with the sound on. First time with, second time without, last time with sound.

Everytime I saw Lyoto punch or kick Shogun, I heard Mike and Joe say “nice kick by Shogun.” I saw Lyoto deck him. They saw Rua kick him.

1) I bet the judges saw this: Whenever Shogun kicked Machida’s legs, Machida decked him quickly in the face. (That also my perspective)

2) Joe and Mike saw this: Whenever Machida punched/kicked Shogun, Shogun kicked him in the legs. That’s valid. But, they ignored Lyoto’s counters.

The former is what I saw. The latter is what Joe and Mike saw. If anything, it should have been a draw.

The judges weren’t crazy. They just count body and head shots more than leg kicks. Regardless of what you might find to be more effective.

This was an even fight between two bad-ass dudes!

Too many Machida nuthuggers here,go look up Compustrike or Fightmetrics and you will see Shogun won.Numbers don’t lie.

just watched the fight again. at first i thought shogun won 4 rounds but lookin again lyoto clearly won rds 1 and 2. Shogun took 4 and 5. The deciding round was 3. Shogun was winning the rd up to the last minute of the rd but when machida let go the flurry at the end thats why the judges gave him that rd. But if you check it out not many of those punches connnectd and shogun gave the harder shot of the exchange. I guess the judge only look at number of punches thrown and not which one connects hardest. Close decision but I still think shogun took it.

lol i see all you Machida nut huggers say “watch the video without sound” why? if you turn off the volume does machida all off a sudden land more strikes? does he magically not get his ass kicked?? that is by far the most retarded thing i have ever heard anyone say, you stupid, stupid pieces of shit. “Dood Shogun clearly won that fight” says Rob, to which machidas personel piss milkers respond “Your doing it all wrong man, you gotta turn the volume off to see the real match, everyone knows that” lol epic fail by machida fans

I just watched it for the second time. It was a pretty good fight. Machida came out with his usual style but Shogun was very prepared for it. He had great timing with his kicks which made Machida hesitate to do his usual leap forward to strike. Shogun was also great at “chasing down” Machida and catching him with some kicks as he retreated. Machida also had some powerful knees to the body and punch combination. It seemed the Shogun was stunned and in real danger at the end of round 3.

I had the first and third round to be for Machida for sure and the fourth and fifth to Shogun. The second round was close. Going by rounds I give it to Machida. However, by overall damage, shogun devastated him with those leg/body kicks.

I’m a Machida fan but I’m glad there is someone that can challenge him like this. I have a feeling it will be very good for him. Can’t wait for the rematch.

BigBiscuits, I can answer your question. Pedro Rizzo had a very close fight against Couture and many thought he won just like Rua in this case, but he lost the decision, wich in my opinion was fair because I do belive that the challenger must win leaving no questions.
They fought again and Couture won by TKO, just like I suspect it will happen when this two meet again (Machida will overcome the doubts).
I think it’s fair to say that Shogun should get an immediate shot at the title.
It was a hard fight to call.

@ pwner
@ KenAmerica

hey u 2!!! where did u get ur scores? s2pid biatches!!! where not blind!!! morons!!! what kicks and punches are u talking about?????? when u score a fight and ur a S2PID FAN of machida all u can see is MACHIDA’S score not RUA’s. so ur scores
more s2pid than ur pwner & KenAmerica!!!

not only high kicks, low kicks and punches RUA scored, he even land a couple of clear elbows!!
s2pid both of U!!!!

yes…shogun is back..did a much better job than i expected..def won round 5, and 4 was real close…but…machida def won the 1st 3….Machida def won this fight…I think Joe Rogan yelling every time Shogun landed something(he obviously wanted him to win)influenced a lot of people into thinking shogun should have won..And dont even get me started on mike fu@*ing goldberg…He should go follow shogun around with a roll of toilet paper waiting for him to S*!t so he can wipe for him…I give shogun his props but the decision was fair…To give him the win based on some leg kicks and ooh’s and aahs everytime he countered , with some strikes that didnt even really land, would be an upset!!!

Quit bullshitting people count the hits, even if you Machida fans think he does better without audio. When it comes down to decision its based on points and points are based on hits, take down and counters and no one can argue that shogun dominated Machida on points.

Todos esos fans,que comentan de que Machida perdio,lamento informarles que sabran de otra cosa,pero de artes mixtas ni papa,y se los digo con todo el respeto que merecen,porque mi intencion real no es ofender a nadie,solo que me deje llevar por la cantidad de barbaridades que escriben diciendo de que si perdio,que le robaron la pelea a Shogun,sorry;si piensas asi estas equivocado,porque crees que la lucha es asi no mas.
Machida se mostro en el 1,2,3,4 siempre superior a Shogun,pese a que en el 4 Shogun trabajo mas con sus piernas y dano bastantes a la de Machida,pero los golpes contundentes se mostraron muy claro y evidentes de parte de Machida,que no tumbo a Shogun,se mostro,pero no quiere decir que no fueran golpes contundentes los que recibio,Shogun mostro un gran aguante;es cierto que la pelea no tuvo el colorido que a los fans les gusta,pero fue muy tecnica.Ahora bien,en el 5 ,la cosa cambio y se le anoto a Shogun,pero no para que variara la decision final,porque Shogun si golpeo el rostro de Machida con el codo,y antebrazo,pero ya,lo que realmente hizo y lo hizo muy bien,fue el trabajo de piernas,donde obtuvo indiscutible supremacia,y castigo a Machido;pero en general les digo sin ceguera alguna;MACHIDA GANO DE MANERA INDISCUTIBLE,y al que le guste bien,al que no tambien,porque todo esta hecho;y si no comprenden,les recomiendo que pasen un curso de artes mixtas,y conocimientos en cuanto a valoracion de puntuacion por golpes,tecnica y desarrollo en el octagono.

Yeah the audio thing is just stupid beyond belief.

These must be the same guys that almost always parrot whatever Dana says.

Try thinking for yourself when watching fights and pay attention to the action. Personally I thought the commentary was bang on and they called the fight exactly as it unfolded.

On a bright side, Shogun’s knees are obviously in great shape again as he’s back to his marathon running shape.

That’s important because to be the champ you have to beat the champ according to some enlightened dudes here. Translation: Shogun will need to be in marathon shape to chase Machida around for another five rounds as Machida now knows wins are just given to him for just showing up.

I’d be ashamed to walk out of the octagon holding the belt after a performance like that. But to those with rose coloured glasses that’s a win by elusiveness. What a crock of shit!

@ the few claiming leg kicks don’t win decisions…

Does anyone remember Jardine’s win over Chuck last year? Jardine out-pointed him with leg kicks all fight pretty much.

machida is so good even when he loses he wins! rua looked like a slob and clearly didn’t take it away from machida.

Re: Dogpitt … or Griffin over Rampage.

Regardless Machida did absolutely nothing in this fight to deserve a win. I reserved judgment for my second watching but everytime I watch it its more evident that Shogun outscored Machida , he was the aggressor for the entire fight and he landed the harder shots with leg kicks and kicks to the body. Machida looked like a beaten fighter from round 2 on …Shogun Rua is once again the man at 205 with or without the belt. I don’t see him losing the rematch and he might knock Machida out this time.

Man, you guys are all Rogan bitches. The only round clearly won by shogun was round 5. Every time Rogan said “beautify body kick” it was either countered with a punch or partially blocked. In-fact Machida landed way more unanswered shots than Rua. As far as I am concerned you can land a million kicks, but if you eat a punch every time, that kick doesn’t mean shit. Noting impressive about the fight and if the challenger does clearly dominate the fight, the decision goes to the champ. Rogan and Dana would have much rather have shogun win and that’s how they spin it. The judges made the right decision.

I by no means base my opinion on Machida backing up. He is a counter fighter. First of all I am a huge Machida fan but he lost the fight. Like I said before a challenger doesn’t have to defeat the champion by a long shot. If you win you win. I believe if they fight again Machida would come out on top but not this one. If you base the decision on what the judges are supposed to score Shogun won. I think the scoring system needs to be thought out a little more as it sucks pretty bad. But following the current judging guidelines and any for that matter Shogun won this one. I believe Machida is better than what he showed in this fight and that this one will make him realize a little more on what he needs to do. Once Machida does that I don’t see anyone beating him unless they get lucky. As far as Machida and Anderson Silva goes I dont see Machida beating him and I am no Silva fan at all. I think Silva is going to getting too cocky and get beat. Though if I was as good as he is I would probably be cocky as well. I am one of those that believe that anyone can beat anyone on a given day. These guys are so talented that any mistake could mean a bad night for them. Basically its not who wins or loses but who can beat the other more times. I think the true test of any fighter would be to fight someone more than once. That being said it doesn’t mean that say Franklin couldn’t beat someone A. Silva lost to. This is MIXED martial arts and some styles fare better against others. I am by no means an expert as I dont even fight but that is my logical explanation. So in conclusion I have three things: 1.The judging system sucks 2. Anyone can beat anyone when the talent is where it is in the UFC 3. You people really take this stuff a little too serious.

I think when you watch the fight a second time, it is a lot closer than most people thought initially, myself included. I believe the bias commentary and the fact that we are so used to seeing Machida dominate, and that we actually saw him get hit for once, makes everyone think that Rua won convincingly. However, all Rua had to offer the entire fight was kicks. You are not going to beat the champ just by kicking. He needed to mix it up more and go for the kill. Did he land kicks, yes. Did he make Lyoto look less invincible, yes. Did he ever have Lyoto in trouble, no. Machida countered to the face many times Rua would land a kick. That scores more in the judges minds, a punch to the face has more scoring value than a kick to the leg, it’s a fact. I think it was a very close fight, Rua fought very well, had a great gameplan, just didn’t do enough to take the belt away. Machida mixed it up more w/ punches, kicks, takedown defense (which scores points) and knees. It wasn’t the best Machida we’ve seen, credit Shogun for that. You should definitely watch the fight again, turn off Rogan, and judge for yourself. I had it a draw.

You guys with this audio thing are killing me. Only a complete fucking retard would admit to being swayed by the commentary, are you 5 years old? Does the Jedi mind trick actually work on you?

I watched this fight several times now and there’s no way in hell Machida won that fight.

It was a nice change to see Rogan actually get the call right, he and Goldie were bang on.

Punches and kicks are still blocked or missed even when the audio is on or off, how many people at the event had audio, but hey they knew what they saw.

Just admit it, Machida is not invincible, and Shogun proved Machida isn’t the best LHW in the world either.

Shogun will prove it again as Machida cannot hurt Shogun, even in the end of the third round where Machida tried his desperate attack, he missed on almost everything and the biggest shot was Shogun’s before Machida booked it out of there.

You guys watching this without audio, sound like you watched it without video as well, as there wasn’t one point in the fight where Machida had Shogun hurt or in trouble.

Keep dreaming the karate kid was given a gift, so enjoy your false victory with your fake champion.

a rematch is a must. it’s more easier to get hit in the body than in the face coz d body has no eyes, uhm!hahaha!!!

Shogun did well to survive.

UFC robbed WANDERLEI and now SHOGUN. they are killing the careers of EX-PRIDE fighters, or they want to kill the careers of the top brazillian fighters!!!

I don’t know about you guys but it is going to take me a while to get another PPV from UFC that kind of decisions from the stupid judges is what made me not to get any PPV boxing matches again.and let’s say machida and anderson silva would get to fight that wont be to good of a fight because that would be 5 rounds of running around the octagon and people will not be happy because if you remember the last couple of fights of silva he runs a lot and people was very dissapointed.

There are proven tests that show when certain words are said the human minds react to them. Rogan clearly was biased towards Shogun, he said his name over and over even though Machida was landing punches to the face at the same time Shogun was kicking. In these exchanges I never once heard Rogan say that Machida landed a punch.

I do not think that Machida won this fight, but I also do not think that Shogun beat Machida enough to be a true champion.

If Machida loses the remach, Silva will eat Shogun’s lunch.

Shogun you won this fight, but money talks…

Furthermore,,, Rogan was praising Machida at the beginning of the fight… Maybe you should listen a bit hard…

its like how can u get a KO on da Champ if when u press he backs up and runs and smiles and looks at u like awwwha……Shoguns gonna KO him in da rematch….same strategy…bruise the legs…like he did…Machida couldnt run in round 4 n 5….which is why if Shogun sticks to da gameplan….KO his ass so you’ll have a true champ that’ll fight….ask Tito and many others….how can u do anything when da other fighter doesnt fight…jus RUNS and hits when u mess up…BORING!!!!

WAR Shogun!

oh wait, he lost. LOL

Shogun did good but he didn’t hurt Machida at all during this fight. The belt can not change hands in a fight where the champion isn’t never seriously threaten. If you go off of just points maybe Shogun won but to be the champ you have to beat the champ and it is clear that he didn’t beat the champ.

GOD joe needs to stop talking im only in the 3rd round and normaly i like the way he commentats but in this fight there in the clintch and shogun throws one right hand and joe flips out and machida is throwing a 5-6 hit combo and he acts like its nothing and to get the belt you shouldnt be able to win by the judges any how its bullshit but we all know they will fight again and machida will win again even tho i love them both i just think machida is alot more skillful but shogun is still a really great contender in the LH

rrogan or no rogaine hua won every round clearly!! chida looked so beat .. he was one good kick or punch away from throwing in the towel …if fight was 6 rounds hed be done, i guess the judges came over from boxing, suckin daryls.. pls dont waste my time with a rematch when even cheeda knows who really won!

Oh yeah, and to the retards who are saying that’s how Forrest won against Rampage, I guess you need to get off Rampage’s nuts and watch that fight again, because Forrest was taking Rampage down with ease every time he attempted, which, given Rampage’s wrestling ability/takedown defense, he shouldn’t have been able to do. Rampage got outgamed that fight, pure and simple. Takedowns/ground and pound were what won that fight for Forrest, not leg kicks.

Alright….Heres a perspective noone thought of…My dad Doesnt watch MMA….He is a huge boxing fan and actually was a referee back in the day for golden gloves boutes in NYC, about 40 yrs ago..I had him watch this fight and he came to the same conclusion….Machida won….He finally saw and understood the whole strategy behind the leg kick game, but as I said myself, machida wasnt hurt or even relly slowed down by the leg kicks. My dad doesnt like to curse but he even said Rogan and Goldberg needed to shut the fuck up!!! I now wish they would have called it a draw so some of you people would shut the fuck up!!!I guarantee, none of you Shogun Blowers would even be bitching if they called it a draw!!!