Lyoto Machida Talks Shogun Rua Fight And Rematch

I watched this fight a couple of times to see what really happened and to form my own opinion. I came to the conclusion that Machida did win. Like he said in this interview, all Shogun did was kick him in the legs, while Machida was going for the vital points and trying to finish the fight.
Even when Shogun took him to the ground, no damage was done and Machida was never in any real danger of being finished. Like we’ve heard time and time again that you can’t leave it in the judges hands. Also, proir to this fight, Machida had never lost a single round, so he obviously knows what judges are looking for, and used that knowledge to his advantage.
I still really like Machida and I think the rematch will be explosive.

Yeah personally can’t see what he’s pretending to see. Machida lost the fight and is making cheap excuses, I guess this is how he tries to save face.

By the way judge Cecil People explained why he scored the fight the way he did, and it’s an explanation into the absurd if you guys can find it.

He basically stated he felt that Machida’s strikes did more damage and seeing that he did more damage he awarded him the fight. (That’s in a nut shell).

Now Rua was given no medical suspension, but Machida was given a 60 day no contact suspension for injuries sustained in the fight.

Even by the judges own stupid criteria he has proven himself wrong.

plus did anyone else notice how lyoto pulled a sammie sosa when he wins he can speak english after he gets whooped he cant speak without an interpreter, shogun beat the english language out of him, lol

Rua won the fight, there is no question about it! If you think Machida won that fight your blind or stupid or maybe both…….

IMO Machida did win the fight. You cant say that that was trully the shogun of old. correct me if i’m wrong but thats not the balls to the walls shogun i remember. He tried winning with leg kicks! All in all i gave rounds 2,3,4 to machida for constently trying to go in for the finish. shogun had his chances to finish and didnt try to end it as much as i feel he should have.

I was a Machida fan and I also like Shogun, but I actually was angry for shogun too like everybody else, MMA has to be honest sport. if anyone knows anything about MMA they would know that Shogun won that fight with out a doubt and in my opinion it wasn’t even a close fight/decision shogun Won every single round, almost every shot of Shogun were connecting and they were much more crisp and powerful, its a shame that a fighter has to work so hard and win the fight then some idiots (most likely paid judges) have to make a dumb decisions against a fighter and let him down, this stuff discourages the fighters sadly

i have no respect for Machida now, everyone knows and he even knows that Rua won fair and square. And now he claims he won round 1-4? WHAT! Sitting in the camera making excuses.

RUA = LHW CHAMP

You lost, Lyoto. Shogun worked your legs and body better that you and his punches were sharper than yours. So, don’t sit up there and claim you were superior when in reality the judges gave you that fight.

Machida lost that fight, end of story.

i love how people state their oppinions as facts- shogun won…..no, thats your oppinion , not a fact.machidas a jerk cuz he believes he won? “machida doesnt agree with me that he lost so hes a classless jerk”. wow people are so dumb you guys crack me up.you act like shogun was destroying machida.
fight went to judges cuz neither guy did enuff.
stop crying

BTW, it looked like in the first round Machida injured his hand trying to defend a powerful round house to his body with his hand. Cmon you dont block a kick with your hand. He should’ve learned something from the Cung Le vs Shamrock fight!!!

I keep looking it up on Wiki, and Wiki says that Lyoto won the fight. I’ve shot off an email to have them correct it.

people have been brainwashed into accepting his passive aggressiveness methodology; Cecil Peoples had the nerve to say: Shogun wasn’t aggressive enough? the 10point must system is a SCAM! along with judging in the ufc evidently. How can anyone fail to see that Shogun controlled the entire pace of that fight. And had that fight gone on…..ect?

ufc is NOT MMA!

Bigsexy and all you Machida haters, Shogun lost that fight clearly!

Shoguns game plan for this fight was to punish Machidas legs and body and then while Machida was week he would go for the take down and finish the fight. Shogun punished the legs and body but could do nothing grappling wise machida made shogun look like a fool every time he went for a take down. Machida landed heavy knees and counter strikes in the first round, same in the 2nd round personally i think the third round was a tie and i give rounds 4 and 5 to shogun i think shoguns lack of ability to do anything grappling gave Machida the fight. personally i think it was too close to call.

Mike I can’t agree with you at all.

Shogun looks like he’s regained his health and his conditioning obviously followed.

Did Shogun fight his balls to the walls style, no! Does that in itself mean Shogun isn’t back, of course not.

Every Machida fan and non fan for that matter knows Machida is a good fighter. Not everyone likes the way he fights, but it’s no secret that if you’re too aggressive he’ll beat you. Everyone saw his previous two fights and both fighters played Machida’s game and lost.

So if I’m correct now Shogun is obviously damned if I do, damned if I don’t here. What he did was put together a good strategy to counter Machida’s counter style. Shogun played it to perfection, he out struck Machida and out countered him and fought a very disciplined fight.

For this Machida is given credit, and yet Shogun who outdid him is being criticized for it.

Sorry, but I call that hypocritical.

Shogun proved what very few believed before this fight, he’s the best LHW fighter in the world still.

You people that think Shogun won and are all pissed about it are a joke.. every one whether they thought Shogun or Machida won admit / accept it was close SO WTF! It could go either way so why on earth are people so upset with a fight getting called one way when it could of went eihter?

To me Machida one, to you Shogun won .. the Judges gave it to Machida so get the hell over it.. it was a good close fight.

Guess who won the fight between me and your momz? Look up that story.

I really cant believe he still thinks he won that fight. A true warrrior would give credit where it is due. And, that is why i’ve lost so much respect for Lyoto. Under shogun, he was my next fav. fighter. NOT ANYMORE.

“Hanabahn Says,

Machida lost that fight, end of story.”

I think you need to check again. Machida won that fight. End of story.

“Legs kicked…” My mistake.

Fight was very close, I thought that Rua won first time I saw it. But then I watched again with sound off and then my impressions are that Machida won with slightly advantage. Fight was very close, it could go either way, only thing that I don’t like is how many people are sure Rua won. And truth is Rua shown no real desire to end this fight, and Machida a little.

If you guys didn’t know, Machida is suspended for 60 days medical and Shogun is NOT suspended. So let me ask you won the fight? Just another point in favor of Shogun who CLEARLY won. Wasn’t close. I’m not even a Shogun fan before this, but now I am. Machida suppose to be elusive? He didn’t show that in his last fight. That pussy was running away and if he wasn’t a nice guy, his ass would get boo-ed. Stop sticking up for these pansy counter strike, they are cheap. If everyone become this type of fighter, UFC would be a joke.

Cecil Peoples is an idiot as is anyone that thinks Lyota won.

you see you cant see the fight over and over again, thats not how it works, when your in a fight, it’s all about that moment, no matter how long the fight is, it’s a one time deal, watching it over and over agian your sikeing yourself out into believeing whatever you want to* (think about it) anyway your first impulse is usually the correct one and the whole world kniow showgun came saw and concord* in his quest but got robbed

it doesn’t really matter whether machida won or not but the fight is over. for the frontrunner who thinked rua is back. i can’t wait for the rematch coz machida is going to beat the leaving crap out of rua. 2nd rnd tko(striking).because the guy had an controversial win over a washep up fighter like rua tha machida is an automatic a bad fighter. at least he didn’t turn down the rematch. rua couldn’t even finish 60 yr old coleman, what might think that he’s going to do ko machida. for those who knows a mma, they saw and understand how machida won. this is not like the old batman cartoon where you see the POW!! SNAP!! KABLOOEEY! MACHIDA ATTACKED WAS FAR SUPERIOR AND MORE OF A FIGHT ENDING STRIKES, NOT LIKE RUA’S LEG KICK. GUARANTEE MACHIDA 2ND RND TKO.

machida won that fight….end of story!!! and hanabahn…..you shoud know that i´m right.

it was a very closed fight….machida had a bonus because he was/is the champ. shogun was the agresor, but it wasn´t enough for the jury. i hope for a rematch…..now everybody knows that machida is not a superior human….just a very good fighter.
first time that i saw the match, i tought that shogun won it. after a couple of times that i looked it i gave it to machida. a challenger has to do more to get the title!!!!

if I was Machida I wouldnt be talking much about it… because shogun is probably gonna knock his ass out next time

Rampage Jackson said it best: Machida is a boring fighter and Shogun was robbed!

It was a close fight…..Regardless on who I think won that fight.

Here are the SIMPLE FACTS:

1. There were NO successful takedowns.
2. There were NO knockdowns.
3. There were No good submission attempts.
4. The pace of the fight was slow and steady. Either fighter was totally gassed out, so stamina was an major issue.
5. These TWO warriors let the Judges decide that fight.

This fight was a Chess match without the CHECKmate.

LESSON: Don’t do enough to squeak a win. You must truly dominate your opponent. And leave ever ounce of energy and aggression in the octagon.

You guys are killing me with some of this stuff.

Shogun isn’t technical enough, Shogun had no takedowns, no submission attempts, Shogun barely beat a 60 year old Coleman and Machida’s going to kill Shogun next fight.

You guys are all insnane!

First of all Coleman isn’t 60, he’s a natural HW (ex UFC champ) and he was Shogun’s first fight post two knee surgeries, but I’m sure keyboard warriors can over come two major knee surgeries no problem. No one seems to have any explanation for Coleman beating Bonner either we’ll just look the other way on that one.

Secondly, no takedowns and submissions, well if I’m correct Machida never went for one single take down and made no submission attempts the entire fight. All he did was defend takedowns as he was completely taken out of his game and never came close once to actually going for the kill. Doesn’t the champ actually have an obligation to engage as well to keep his title?

Why would you give credit to someone for simply back pedaling and eating shots while doing it all fight long?

Shogun quite simply beat Machida handily and if Machida makes the mistake of changing his style and is more aggressive next fight, he’ll get ko’d because he can’t stand and bang with Shogun and he knows that.

Last night I watched the mma show and Big John MaCarthy thought Shogun clearly won that fight, Randy Couture gave it 4-1 in rounds and basically every news outlet and mma magazine that had someone in attendance covering the fight saw it that way without exception. Obviously there’s something wrong here when three idiot judges don’t get it right and that’s why people are pissed.

As Couture, MaCarthy, Wanderlei Silva and others have stated, the crime here is that two men trained for months for this moment and the winner was robbed of all his hard work.

Personally I can’t wait for the re-match so all you deluded Machida fans can watch the running man get ko’d, and we’ll listen to how he actually wins when the audio is off again.

Thanks niv for your last posting, so true!

I mean, like he said a lot of fighters (if they are not A. Silva, who is Lyoto’s buddy) think that Shogun won, 99% of the media think Shogun won and on MMATKO 75% think that Shogun won. So you can either go with Cecil Peoples and claim that everyone thinking Rua won is absolutely uneducated when it comes to MMA and how fights are scored, or you could consider the possibility that something with that decision went horribly wrong.

Yes, we have to accept the technical fact that Lyoto was declared the winner. On the other hand – sound or no sound for that matter – it’s a clear fact that Shogun had control of the octagon and landed more and cleaner shots than Lyoto. Well, the retards called “judges” can call the fight any way they want and there’s nothing we can do about it.

But PLEASE! How can you claim that getting a decision is not what MMA was all about? You go ahead and tell me it should be a knockout everytime? Who’s the ‘uneducated’ fan here? MMA is a regulated sport. There are frickin rules, and if you win a fight within the rules you win a f****** belt! There is NO rule saying “You have to beat the champ to be the camp (yadayadayada). Poor excuse for a bad call! You guys can enjoy whatever the f you want (I personally can enjoy a tactical fight going to decision any day) but that doesn’t make it a rule!

In Europe soccer’s a big thing. I’m not gonna compare MMA and soccer, but just to make my point clear: Italians are known for playing “Catenaccio” = scoring a lousy goal and then just trying to hold possession of the ball and defend by all means. F***** boring shit, every soccer fan hates that kind of stuff. But it’s within the rules. If they win it might not be the most glorious thing, but it’s a win. Same goes to beating a champ in MMA, even through a ‘close’ decision.

I’m not going to whine about the misjudgement that happend on October 24. It is what it is. I just think you Machida supporters argue on VERY thin ground.

Looking forward to the rematch. Hope there will be justice and Shogun tears Lyoto apart.
(How anyone can call Lyoto a “classy guy” by now puzzles me the most. If he had the heart and mindset of a champion (Randy Couture Style) he wouldn’t be sitting there and talking sh*t he doesn’t even believe himself. He should have handed the belt to Rua right after his undeserving hand went up that night…”

And just let me add: You are right, Shogun could not finish the fight. Which is not a shame, since Machida is one of the best out there. But he made him his bitch. That should suffice for becoming champion

Shogun didn’t loose, but he wasn’t able to win.

All those kicks for nothing. If it was an ordinary fight he could be the winner, but that belt needs more effort to get.

Machida shouldn’t be the belt’s holder anymore and now he must grant that back. Doesn’t matter what the judges said, but all the public opinion.

Every champion needs the audience recognition… til then Machida will always have a doubt as a last name.