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Brightland Says, in 10-7-2009 at 09:14:44 from    

It doesn’t matter if he tapped or not. His arm was secures and had the ref. not interfere with the fight it would have been broken.

well Says, in 10-7-2009 at 09:14:46 from    

Wasn’t a tap, sadly. Was just the force of the crashing into the canvas that made his hand move that way.

Still that armbar was deep.

sokhl Says, in 10-7-2009 at 09:28:52 from    

no way he was getting out of that..

LC Says, in 10-7-2009 at 09:33:29 from    

He tapped! He should have tapped! The fight should have been stopped even if he hadn’t tapped!

D-kat87 Says, in 10-7-2009 at 09:45:38 from    

I think he tapped, It was his on fault…he gave him his arm on a silver platter leaving it across like that..and even still it looked like Bibiano threw it up and missed @ first and then got his leg in front of Joe’s face, gotta STACKEM Joe!!!

spyder Says, in 10-7-2009 at 10:05:50 from    

His arm could have been broken and the ref did the right thing. Who gives hoot if he tapped or did not tap.

I dont want to see another arm break in MMA like that one time…i forget the fighter. s*** snapped right in front of the camera. It was not an armbar, but something. The guy kept on fighting too. crazy.

El Beebo Says, in 10-7-2009 at 10:15:21 from    

Yeah, stack ‘em, or just recognize what’s happening and yank your arm out of there. In real time, I didn’t see the tap, but after watching this, he clearly taps. And even if he hadn’t tapped (which he did), the ref did a good job.

dude Says, in 10-7-2009 at 11:33:23 from    

tap! i like the guy, but he definitely tapped. it looks like he wasn’t even fighting back because he already thought his arm was broke.

milan707 Says, in 10-7-2009 at 11:47:32 from    

I have NEVER seen someone actually get there arm broke from not tapping. Not that it hasnt probably happened. He didnt tap out, only one if you want to call it a tap. Stupid stoppage. Should have let it go a few more seconds.

New New Says, in 10-7-2009 at 12:14:07 from    

his arm was already bent at a crazy angle before going down.

i think that as they hit he kind of half-assed tapped because his arm was extremely bent at that point, but when they hit the ground i’m betting bibiano lost some leverage and it was not as painful anymore so he tried to play off the tap and go on.

mike Says, in 10-7-2009 at 12:27:57 from    

he didn’t tap at first, that was just him grabbing the knee, but once it hits the ground you can see he taps. there’s no excuse for multiple taps like that if it was accidental.

rza808 Says, in 10-7-2009 at 12:30:14 from    

yah it was so deep and he had no escape. I thought he tapped anyways.

francodevil Says, in 10-7-2009 at 12:49:05 from    

the ref just saved his arm from busting, tap or no tap, he made a schoolboy error

dirty Says, in 10-7-2009 at 13:06:08 from    

I definitely don’t see the tap. But he was finished anyway.

hldn1977 Says, in 10-7-2009 at 13:08:52 from    

You’ve never seen someone get their arm broken from not tapping in an arm bar? How about Tim Sylvia against Mir? He didn’t tap and got it broken. Cantwell broke someone’s arm at the fight for the troops. I didn’t know if Warren tapped, but I know that the ref did a good job protecting him from himself, because he wasn’t only going to get a broken arm in this case.

Gt03champ Says, in 10-7-2009 at 13:11:16 from    

No tap. he grabbed the knee, hit the ground lost a hold of the knee, and grabbed the knee again. Looked like a double tap. On the other hand… no way he was getting out.

Gt03champ Says, in 10-7-2009 at 13:12:33 from    

you know the more i look at this the more i see the tap!

Matt IKKARION Says, in 10-7-2009 at 13:39:29 from    

he tapped. look at his fingertips on his thigh.

rob5hot Says, in 10-7-2009 at 15:21:15 from    

whoever thinks he didn’t tap, open your eyes and actually watch the GIF. He obviously taps, and it was a good stoppage.

wowthatsucked Says, in 10-7-2009 at 15:34:56 from    

it wasn’t a tap, but lets be realistic, he wasn’t getting out of that arm bar.

tact Says, in 10-7-2009 at 15:35:21 from    

Who knows if he tapped, only he does, the force of coming down would make his hand ‘bounce’ off the knee. He had no escape there though, if he had not taped within a few moments, he would of had a damaged arm at very least. 10 minutes left on that clock, nice effort, but move along.

Jurkerbor Says, in 10-7-2009 at 16:32:15 from    

Beautiful submission!!!!

Dr. Says, in 10-7-2009 at 17:00:05 from    

@ milan707:

Most recent is Steve Cantwell destroying Razak Al-Hassan’s arm at a UFC Fight Night. And there are others… like our favourite:
Timmeh Sylvia

pjack Says, in 10-7-2009 at 18:30:34 from    

Sakuraba vs Renzo Gracie.
Renzo didn’t tap but the fight was stopped.

He could not fight with one arm only.

Good job by the ref.

Hawkeye Says, in 10-7-2009 at 20:26:16 from    

I’m reminded of the Rich Franklin/Marvin Eastman fight. Whatever, he was saved from some trouble.

alext Says, in 10-7-2009 at 23:00:57 from    

Warren tapped twice! Right way on Bibiano’s knee (before the roll over)…look closely. And then he taps again when the ref stops it. Joe is just being a sore loser. This guy has no class.

E-G-muscle Says, in 10-7-2009 at 23:37:54 from    

I remember the Mir Vs Tim syliva fight! When Tim decided not to tap…THAT arm BROKE like a “No. 2 Pencil”…SNAP!! Those joint holds can be potential career ENDERS.

paddedummy Says, in 10-8-2009 at 00:32:00 from    

If it was a tap he would have slapped the ground with his palm repeatedly right in front of the ref instead of lightly touching Bibiano’s thigh with his fingertips so that he couldn’t even feel it. As far as what would have happened to the arm or not, that is only Joe’s business. Should a ref stop a fight if a a guy is dropping his hands in the standup and letting his opponent punch him in the face to? Because getting ktfo is a potential career ender to, just ask twinkle toes Chucky.

kijafa Says, in 10-8-2009 at 02:06:05 from    

Ok people, enough bs. the refs number 1 priority is to protect the safty of the fighter!!! it doesnt matter if he tapped or not. the submission was in DEEP and he’s arm is clearly hyper-extended so the fihgt should have been stoped, period! it might not have been a tap. Warren probably would have rather had his arm broken. but, none of that matters because the ref must protect the fighter from permanent damage. therefore the stoppage is a just one… i have spoken:)

crazeyvillia Says, in 10-8-2009 at 02:39:23 from    

He did tap. Even if he didn’t the ref made a good call because he didn’t want the guy’s career to be finished over a simple mistake like getting caught in an armbar. Go back to the locker room and work on submission defense come back a better fighter.

tubulcain Says, in 10-8-2009 at 08:37:23 from    


Toeknee Says, in 10-8-2009 at 09:25:41 from    

he tapped. first one was the big slap on the knee and when he got face planted into the back of he knee he just continues his tap with his fingers. you know not everyone will respond with a wailing tap. some people who train jits often will simply tap with the hand for the victor to release. regardless of wat anyone thinks it would have been al’hassan all over again, stunned look on his face at the ref like ‘ dude why the f*ck didnt you stop it?”

Hobbes01 Says, in 10-8-2009 at 10:45:23 from    

I thought a tap was technically defined as a sequence of 3 taps in quick succession to the same place (i.e. mat or opponent’s body). Granted taps vary in actual practice, but if that is the definition then no, he definitely did not tap.

Regardless, I agree with those saying he was still done and the ref did the right thing.

BakaSurvivor Says, in 10-8-2009 at 22:19:15 from    

he tapped

Look at the Refs Mouth Says, in 10-9-2009 at 14:35:01 from    

The ref even asked him twice if it’s a “tap?”, with pointing finger. And for 3 taps, he tapped once when he was being set up, and twice more on the mat.

Jorge Says, in 10-11-2009 at 18:13:39 from    

He lost the fight and he must been grateful with the referi that saved his arm.


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