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marvelous mad madam mim Says, in 2-13-2012 at 10:14:23 from 108.89.201.98    

I lost all respect for condit after this bullshit fight.

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masterblaster Says, in 2-13-2012 at 12:42:35 from 92.233.247.138    

nick diaz lost fair condit came with a plan and won simple why do people keep goin on about it no re-match put condit against jonny hendricks or ellenbeger if he wins diaz F*** off and retire prick

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newmmfan1 Says, in 2-13-2012 at 12:58:13 from 68.179.127.170    

@mim interesting cause i gained a lot of respect for condit and lost some for diaz in this fight…not the most exciting Carlos fight but very impressive.

It’s funny how people change their opinion on fighters based off of one performance. If I did that I would think anderson silva was a hack.

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mma made easy Says, in 2-13-2012 at 13:16:41 from 96.48.152.37    

he clearly won and had the superior strategy. You want to see two morons hit each other watch the co-main event.

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randycouture Says, in 2-13-2012 at 13:48:09 from 216.95.169.254    

how can you not have anything but respect for GSP. man is he ever confident. on the flip side. why can’t chuck put two words together????

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jeff_figmb Says, in 2-13-2012 at 14:40:18 from 173.51.246.234    

How can anyone say Condit clearly won?!?!?! Far from clear. So many MMA anylists have gone back and reviewed the tapes and most give the fight to Diaz… Shut the F*** up with this “Clearly won” bullshit. The guy ran around the the octogon like a little bitch throwing weak ass gay leg kicks. I don’t pay for UFC PPV’s to watch a homo avoid a fight. We pay to see dudes get after it and FIGHT!! Not run around in circles avoiding the other guy. I can’t stand Condit now! I really have no interest in watching him fight ever again after this BS…

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brn Says, in 2-13-2012 at 15:09:39 from 125.237.69.166    

he clearly won! barely had a mark on his face CONDIT! CONDIT! CONDIT! haha bos bos bos in ya face

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brunohumper Says, in 2-13-2012 at 15:35:37 from 24.109.209.112    

@jeff_figmb
you clearly dont know s*** about mma, that was a well executed game plan from condit. condit landed 159 strikes to diaz’ 117 thats prety good for “running around”. damn good game plan to fight diaz with he only comes forward why play his game. But regardless close fight, and 2 of those judges scored it 49-46 thats kinda messed up

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cigronne Says, in 2-13-2012 at 15:35:52 from 161.116.100.92    

Condit won hands down

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dznr Says, in 2-13-2012 at 15:36:52 from 206.217.72.139    

so whats the difference when wrestler (like GSP) takes someone down and lay and prey? That’s there strategy – well Diaz is a fighter that wants the push forward and if you stand in front your going to get banged up (like Penn) but if you move and make Diaz work and take him out of that face to face war then the fight changes and Condit wanted to exchange and move. Just look at the compustrike condit landed more Kicks, Power Punches and strikes so tell me something why does Diaz deserve to win?

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ocho fett Says, in 2-13-2012 at 15:43:32 from 138.163.240.42    

@jeff

You “IS” on drugs fool(or diaz nuts)! Condit clearly did win! I can say the same for the other analyst that say Carlos Condit won. If its a skill-less slug fest you are looking for with almost no technique what so ever, go watch some amatuer heavy weight boxing, and get the hell away from MMA. Its called Mixed Martial Arts buddy not move foward and punch each other till someone falls down. Diaz comes at you like a train and he’s tough as hell, if carlos did the same he would have got ktfo! and for the record dodging punches and escaping a barrage of attacks, then postioning your self in the middle of the cage to fight again is called strategy.

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onepunchKO Says, in 2-13-2012 at 16:17:02 from 190.129.128.182    

i so f***** tired of hearing this bull s*** that diaz won that i lost respect for condit dud condit outlanded diaz in 4 out of 5 rounds landed more strikes than diaz overall ??? what are u guys crying about ?? i dont understand??? he had a better game plan thats it he won the fight fair and square he ran from diaz?? i didint know that u can outstrike someone will running “the hole fight” thats the dumbest s*** ive ever heard .. face the facts condit won fair and square

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tally2312 Says, in 2-13-2012 at 16:19:38 from 75.36.164.29    

Jeff you are correct! Condit landed 64 leg kicks. If you kick someones leg over 20 times and they are able to walk out of the ring, they are baby kicks as Diaz said.

If GSP dry humped Diaz for 5 rounds there would be no dispute that George would’ve won because he’d be imposing his homosexual will on Diaz. However, running away from a fight like Condit did only shows his superiority if it was a track race.

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^^^^ Says, in 2-13-2012 at 16:35:47 from 24.52.195.11    

First off, if you hate Condit because you think he ran, then you need to find a new sport. Diaz would of quit when GSP lays on him for 5 rounds. This is MMA and if you can’t do anything about it, you either train harder or move on to boxing if all you want to do is stand and punch. You all want to criticize Condit, but Nick said the stupidest thing during the post fight interview… he said if I knew I was losing then I would of tried to finish the fight. Clearly Nick didn’t deserve to win either, he never went after the fight, he only walked forward until Condits back was on the cage, he spent more time taunting than throwing a punch. Why didn’t Nick try to take the fight earlier to the ground or set up something? Like I said, stop your whining, if Condit didn’t deserve to win then neither did Diaz. I wouldn’t mind a rematch.

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k91st Says, in 2-13-2012 at 17:00:20 from 65.94.215.61    

Wow this will never end, there have been many fighters used the same strategy. If it works great if not to bad. It has been said to death don’t leave it in the hands of the judges

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rugburnbob Says, in 2-13-2012 at 17:13:40 from 24.17.93.108    

Hmmm did Diaz push him around the ring or did Condit force him to follow… My vot is for Condit, smart plan, good execution, good focus, and clearly frustrated Diaz! Not the fire works we all hoped for, but same can be said fo mayweather, michael nunn, pee wee whitaker etc…hey and they were all winners! It is a sport after all not a brawl… Maybe it is time for a sister league? UBC ultimate brwling championship…no refs, no rules one man walks away… oops I think that died in Rome.

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rugburnbob Says, in 2-13-2012 at 17:14:21 from 24.17.93.108    

Darn typos!

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jeff_figmb Says, in 2-13-2012 at 17:16:39 from 173.51.246.234    

Ocho donkey, you’re a huge tool hands down. I’ve been watching this sport since 93 ya hack. I am like 95% of fight fans, not the 5% tool bag fight fan like yourself who trains mma twice a week and then calls himself a real MMA fan. We don’t care how much you know so F*** off. What people want to see is someone get f***** up dah… Majority of the people out there don’t care to watch a fight like the Dias condit fight, cause most people watching aren’t mma geeks like yourself. We wanna see guys go in for the kill, go big and take guys out, not dance around, run away, avoid a fight and score little leg kicks… Take JDS for example, you think he would ever run a gameplan like Condit did against Diaz? Hell no, cause he’s a real fighter and makes an effort to do what the fans want to see… Once again ocha donkey, we’re really proud of you and your knowledge of the sport. Haha who cares! Bring on the knockouts and blood baths. Get with the program toolbag, that’s what people really want to see, it’s been that way since the gladiator days. Guys like GSP and Condit don’t represent gladiators at all, but little athletes only going for points. Boring…

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brucelee23 Says, in 2-13-2012 at 17:24:03 from 86.1.20.86    

Diaz fansssssszzzzzzzzzzzzz. Carlos is the new interim Champ !! Lets move on …

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Death Grip Says, in 2-13-2012 at 18:59:09 from 69.178.146.114    

Diaz was fighting to finish, Condit was not. Condit marketed this fight as “Natural Born Killer” who stops virtually all his opponents. He did not ever try to stop Diaz. I am glad I did not pay for that fight. I would have felt ripped off with how Condit sold it.

I would not pay for a GSP/Condit match, but would pay for a GSP/Diaz match.

It’s too bad. Losing like that sucks.

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ocho fett Says, in 2-13-2012 at 19:12:39 from 138.163.240.41    

@jeff

ahahahahaha f@g… and for the record i dont train mma twice a week ok!!!…. I train once a week! ahahaha

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Gogoplatypus Says, in 2-13-2012 at 19:23:17 from 23.16.57.147    

Fight metric’s tally for this fight:

http://blog.fightmetric.com/2012/02/condit-vs-diaz-official-ufc-statistics.html

If you break it down by looking at fight metric’s round-by-round scores, you can make a pretty good argument that Diaz won rounds 1,2,and 5.

Round 1 Diaz landed 2 power shots and 14 jabs to the head against Condit’s 0 power shots and 7 jabs to the head. Body shots Diaz landed 4 power and 7 jabs to Condit’s 2 power and 5 jabs. Granted, Condit out lands Diaz in kicks with 5 power and 11 jabs against only 1 jab from Diaz, but Diaz’s 14 jabs to Condit’s face, advantage in body shots, and octagon control should be enough to put him ahead. (you might say Diaz didn’t have effective octagon control, but if you had to give it to someone, I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t give it to Condit)

Round 2 doesn’t really require an explanation. Diaz out lands Condit in significant, total, head, and body strikes, with Condit coming ahead in only the leg jab department. Diaz is the clear winner for this round.

Rounds 3 and 4 I give to Condit, and round 5 to Diaz because he took Condit’s back in an otherwise pretty close round. Hopefully this makes the argument that rounds 1,2, and 5 could have (should have?) gone to Diaz more substantial.

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asdf Says, in 2-13-2012 at 19:24:09 from 65.94.70.167    

Jesus jeff_figmb is hilarious, hes probably trolling but did anyone else see the dan hardy and dong hyung kim fights? Condit wasted those dudes why is everyone calling him boring

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fightdontbefake Says, in 2-13-2012 at 21:11:47 from 65.34.91.84    

@ Gogoplatypus

No one on here will see this because it takes brains to read and comprehend numbers. From my standpoint, good post. I have been watching UFC for a long long time, my uncle fought in UFC 19 and a couple of others. I believe Diaz won the fight, I also believe the rules/judging needs to be addressed (whether that be the judges going back into a room and watching the film over again or changing rules, like running or not engaging, similar to pride rules). Many analyst do agree that Diaz won as well, rounds 1,2, and 5.

As far as losing respect for anyone, it is NOT Condits fault, if anyone should get the blame (for a winning GAME not FIGHT plan) it should be Greg Jackson, his coach/strategist.

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John Boss Says, in 2-13-2012 at 21:19:37 from 69.205.174.202    

As far as i am concerned, Condit is the only welterweight fighter who can pretend to be at GSP’s level. A class act dude too!

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richplease Says, in 2-13-2012 at 21:21:50 from 203.95.10.70    

condit fought scared and for the guys listing how many more strikes condit landed please note that nick landed more head and body shots than condit, condits strikes only appear to be more than nicks becuz he broke the ufc record for leg kicks. i have no problem with winning with leg kicks, but at least hurt the guy with the kicks not just tap them. faber v aldo now thats how u win via leg kicks, condit v diaz i thought condit should have been warned for turning his back to nick so much when he kept escaping from the fence.

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richplease Says, in 2-13-2012 at 21:23:32 from 203.95.10.70    

@asdf becuz once he faces a top guy he turns into a mini gsp. imo condits lack of engagement and running from nick is worse than gsp’s lnp style. at least gsp brings it to you and dominates, running and landing lil baby kicks is a lame tactic to win a fight with.

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fightdontbefake Says, in 2-13-2012 at 22:08:14 from 65.34.91.84    

Unfortunately the UFC is not about fighting anymore, it’s about game plans. Back in the day (UFC/PRIDE) you fought multiple guys a night, sure you had a basic game plan for each person, knowing what their strengths were, but the way to win a fight was much much different. You actually had to stop your opponent, not just out score them. This is why many fighters, GSP (GPS for some of you)/Condit and others fight to win points, because fighting today has changed, you do not need to stop an opponent to win, specially in the UFC (ultimate? I think not!). If it were longer timed rounds, longer timed fights, and/or no time, then fighters (game planers?) would not be fighting the game plans that we see today, they would be going for the kill. HOWEVER, the UFC is well aware of this, and they do these short rounds for a reason. They do it for money, plane and simple. The less timed rounds the more fights a fighter can have, the more fights the more events, the more events…well you get the idea.

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rob Says, in 2-13-2012 at 22:45:22 from 64.75.191.250    

Jeff, you’re an idiot. I understand your passion for flavor and spice in a fight, but a sanctioned sport with regulations and one that can’t quite be described as one-dimensional calls for all forms and disciplines. It’s not brawling or bar-fighting, or boxing at that. The game’s best technical fighters are usually the ones who hold the belt for a while. Diaz is strong at: striking, taking a beating, cardio and ju-jitsu. Why try to stand and bang? Carlos demonstrated his superior muay thai and execution of His game plan by not giving in to the will of Diaz’s style. When it comes to judges and scoring, hey, that’s all them. Two people will look at rules and it get two different interpretations. SO Diaz took Carlos’ back… He didn’t secure a submission and Carlos ended up on top buddy. Depends what aspect you’re focusing on. I like seeing both fighters and was emotionally neutral for the fight’s outcome. I don’t hate GSP and would only want to see him lose to someone who was better than a well-timed KO effort.

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WTFson Says, in 2-13-2012 at 22:59:21 from 69.137.86.103    

I’m not impressed by you’re performance breaking down that fight gsp.

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N8manrightstr8 Says, in 2-13-2012 at 23:55:32 from 76.175.12.104    

IAM #1 DIAZ FAN and i will tell you it was a close fight…. I personally the first time watched it thought diaz robbed but after watching it again and again i felt that condit was the smarter fighter.. even though we dont want to see what he did he stuck to the gameplan IN A FIGHT SUPER HARD.. with someone talking s***…BUT i wwould have to say diaz won with octagon control and aggression 2/3 major point systems besides significant strikes

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leroy Says, in 2-14-2012 at 00:58:39 from 108.218.224.40    

I miss you Pride! Standing in front of your opponent doesn’t mean it has to be a brawl. look at Ali, Haggler, Duran, and the Diaz brothers. MMA nerds please kill yourself. “better game plan. scored more points, blah blah blah.” go watch Karate tournaments

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Sunfish Hero Says, in 2-14-2012 at 02:21:40 from 65.78.130.27    

@Gogplatypus – You know, I’ve been a staunch fighter for Condit winning that fight based on the overall stats of the fight, and I can still see why the judges scored it for Condit, but you make a compelling argument. The more I watch the fight the more difficult it becomes to judge. When I first saw the fight I thought Condit won without question, but that 5th was really close. Though I don’t believe getting a dominant position and being neutralized from it should win you a fight either. Take-downs are worth too damn much in this sport. That being said, I’m surprised the judges didn’t see the 5th for Diaz based entirely on him getting that take-down.

Everyone is suggesting Jackson is to blame for this fight, but no one seems to be looking towards Diaz for letting down fans. I know he let me down, pursuing a losing strategy for 5 rounds is pure insanity. He’s so well-rounded, but he’s thoroughly settled into his bully approach to fighting now and relies too heavily on his toughness to see him through. It almost cost him against Paul Daley, who in my opinion, doesn’t match up well with Diaz at all based on Diaz’s grappling. Hopefully he’ll learn from this, and like a true fighter, get back on the horse. This whole, “This is unfair I quit!” bullshit cost him a lot of respect in my book.

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steamer Says, in 2-14-2012 at 02:29:23 from 68.12.35.96    

look at their faces….I still have a hard time scoring this one, but Diaz’ face showed more abuse than Condit. I know Nick cuts more easily than Carlos just naturally, but I’m just saying, you wanna talk all that s*** about how all Carlos did was run and throw baby kicks? Then how the hell did Nicks face get all busted up?

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steamer Says, in 2-14-2012 at 02:35:42 from 68.12.35.96    

oh and BTW, I don’t have a problem with the guy, and enjoy some doobage once in a while myself, but why aren’t any of you guys rushing to Nicks defense, bringing up the fact that he pissed hot for weed? what are you f****** 17? YOU’RE FIGHTING FOR A UFC BELT! PUT THE s*** DOWN FOR A COUPLE MONTHS MAN! Jesus Christ. Get real.

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Gogoplatypus Says, in 2-14-2012 at 02:45:52 from 24.83.195.222    

@ fightdontbefake

Thanks for the reply. It might have been a more boring fight than we expected, but I’m not hating on Condit or Greg Jackson either. This is their job after all, so they’re just trying to do whatever they can within the rules to put food on the table. I definitely agree with you that these rules and judging methods we’re talking about should be looked at though. Rogan mentioned on his podcast that he finds it easier to see what’s going on watching a fight on TV than from one angle at the base of the cage. Maybe judges should be placed in a room away from distractions to watch the fights on screens from multiple angles?

The must-finish option would definitely make for more exciting fights too. Fights could start with a 10min round like in Pride and go on for however many rounds until a fighter finishes or the other’s corner throws in a towel. If no fighter finishes in a maximum number of rounds, then the fight will be declared a draw and both fighters issued a fine. Fines will be given for holding and evading action too. This would of course never be done in the UFC now because it would mean a complete makeover, but isn’t finishing what fighting is all about? The must-finish system would make every fight exciting guaranteed, and I honestly think not too many fights would go to a draw. 25-30min is plenty of time for a finish if both fighters have the incentive to put their neck out to do so. It might take longer, but I’d rather watch 3 quality fights than 4 three-round decisions and a five-round decision main event.

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greengiant Says, in 2-14-2012 at 04:10:28 from 71.196.251.21    

quit crying for diaz condit won deal with it.some fans are so out of it they would think their fav fighter won even if they lost,like diaz.

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KungFuLowKick Says, in 2-14-2012 at 12:12:50 from 24.212.44.131    

Thats so stupid the guys here talking about a Must finish rule.So a fight can only be finished by KO or sub??Good luck finding good fighters to do that.The guys will have a 5 years career if they are lucky and they will never develop completly because they will be vegetables from all the Kos and beatings they took.Then after a couple of years dumb ass politicians will ban the sport again because it will no be a sport but a show where people get the s*** beat out of them.

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FailSonnen Says, in 2-14-2012 at 19:57:00 from 69.116.253.110    

Do NOT leave it in the hands of the judges! Everyone loses as we can see.

Anyways this fight was pretty much the equivalent of a bull and a matador match

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jeff_figmb Says, in 2-14-2012 at 23:07:22 from 173.51.246.234    

Hahahaha!! I’m laughing at all you little mma geeks calling me an idiot cause I wanna see guys get after it and not plan out a fight like Condit did. I guess theres a lot of idiots like me out there who wanna drink a 6pack a beer w his buddies and watch 2 dudes F*** eachother up, not run around like little bitches. “I SMELL NERDS, NERDS!!!”

Props to Leroy, he said it right… ” I miss you Pride! Standing in front of your opponent doesn’t mean it has to be a brawl. look at Ali, Haggler, Duran, and the Diaz brothers. MMA nerds please kill yourself. “better game plan. scored more points, blah blah blah.” go watch Karate tournaments

HAHAHAHA!! Well said brotha…

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jeff_figmb Says, in 2-14-2012 at 23:11:53 from 173.51.246.234    

Rob you and Ocho should start a bookclub call it “I’m an MMA nerd” you guys could have weekly book meetings and blow eachother over who’s the biggest mma homo… Chapter one “GSP or Condit” blahahahaha

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Dave Says, in 2-15-2012 at 03:17:43 from 24.246.25.6    

@dznr
the case with GSP and take downs is very different! GSP fully controls the Octagon and the pace of the fight but Carlos definitely didn’t do that, he was sneaking in weak shots and running away that’s not how GSP fights he usually fully controls the fight.

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Dave Says, in 2-15-2012 at 03:34:22 from 24.246.25.6    

for me the is not about who won who didn’t weather Diaz Won or lost is not the issue Diaz was coming forward to fight.
but I was disappointed with Condit it was a very weak win in his part I think he has better ability than sneak in little shots and runaway.
what many don’t understand is that people are not unhappy because Condit didn’t do a brawal street fight style but its because people including me expected he could do better thank that, in no way Carlos controlled the octagon. one of the most important aspect of the winning a fight is to control octagon because running away surly isn’t controlling the fight

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Dave Says, in 2-15-2012 at 03:39:33 from 24.246.25.6    

@brunohumper
I find it funny you telling jeff he doesn’t know s*** about mma but I can see you don’t know crap about MMA.
I’m sure so many pro MMA pro fighters aren’t stupid to say that carlos’s back peddling the whole fight was “winning” they do know more than you do and many of them stated that already.

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jeff_sucks Says, in 2-15-2012 at 11:19:22 from 96.250.230.64    

@jeff..lmao wow u must be a redneck piece of s***…because those are the only ones that don’t appreciate the style of mma fights..its all technique not going in there headless..if that was how it was then there would be no need for training now would there…u must be a diaz dick rider though its ok i can understand why u would hate condit lol…but hey if you wanna see an all out brawl n someone going in without a plan n just swing for the fences then got to a street fight pretty sure you see that a lot lol

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jeff_figmb Says, in 2-15-2012 at 20:30:24 from 173.51.246.234    

perfect you little bitch I’ll meet you there… haha dude it doesn’t have to be an all out bar fight street brawl you toolbag… so many great planned out, smart fights I’ve watched over the years that end up being great battles. Did you just watch that Menjivar fight on Fuel?? That wasn’t a bar fight ya donkey, but it was 10 times more entertaining than the condit diaz fight. These guys who are trying to show Dana white how exciting they are and how they put guys out are a lot more fun to watch than GSP and Condit (post Diaz Condit). All you little MMA geeks need to stop being so gay. Who cares about little combos of points, go for the f****** KILL for christ sake. No matter how dumb you think I sound, that’s what people want to see. Sorry nerds that’s just a fact, if Condit fights like this again no one will ever want to watch him… oh sorry except all these little mma nerds.

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dont b scared homie Says, in 2-17-2012 at 21:43:20 from 174.30.80.181    

daiz came to fight not to chase. who cares who won this fight.i just want to see gsp get beat

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