Frank Shamrock Debates MMA For Kids

the matches that they where talking about is pancrase which is kinda like armature mma bassically its the same thing accept you cant strike at the head i think for kids they could change the rules and make it alot more controlled like take aways some of the big slams like they did when i wrestled in juinior high basically u can shoot for a double but not pick them up and slam them also the refs can make sure the kids arent hitting them really hard. i think this sport could be good for kids if they go about it properly. but i hate the fact that people with certain degrees or certain tittles like Doctor can go out and make judgment about something they really know nothing about frank was right u can tell this stuck up prick that wears a suit has never done martial arts

Not a huge Shammy fan but I believe he did a good job representing MMA in this debate. Opposers are always gonna be stubborn when it comes to their views on this and not even try to see the other side of the argument…..

this old guy dont know nothing about martial arts he should be proud hes talking to mma legend and the king of pancrase frank this people dont know the beauty of martial arts the self disipline poor old guy you can see on his eyes confusion this is the next generation of warriors ..period

Could they have found a bigger douche to debate Frank? The guy interrupts Frank several times and then has the gall to scold Frank for doing the same (”let me finish!”)

He goes on and on about anecdotal evidence, but completely misuses the word, even to the point of saying that’s all Frank has. Frank has REAL martial arts experience, this guy has word-of-mouth and psychological studies with no proof, just theories. Word-of-mouth = anecdotal. Idiot.

He also claims that MMA has no empathy…really? Has he watched two fighters after a fight, especially guys who are friends outside of the ring? I seriously doubt it. He’s never seen Choi or Hansen or Faber or any of the other great sportsmen out there showing respect to opponents, win or lose. All he has is a series of clips that ESPN put together in order to cast MMA in its worst light.

Show me the case studies of all the kids who grew up learning to box and knock each other out and how it corrupted all of them and sent them all to jail. Show me the stories of the kids who learn to wrestle and pin their opponents to the mat and how it made them all super-violent or messed-up kids.

While ESPN or this bandwagon shrink hunt for those records, I’ll show you tons of confident, healthy adults who grew up studying a martial art (or several). They learn respect for themselves, other people, and the confidence of knowing that they don’t have to take being pushed around by those bigger or crueler than they are, at least not physically. They learned the discipline of coming to practice even when you feel tired, or when you’re struggling to learn a move or form. They learned how to intelligently defend themselves and those around them.

What did that psychologist learn? How to be the biggest prick alive? I’m sure that stopped him from getting stomped in middle school.

Wow…the core value of empathy, huh?

Too easy.

I still find it interesting but yet at the same time totally predictable that Dan Doyle
and many others like him form the same background of thinking resort to such
cheap, childish, immoral tactics when they know there side of the argument
makes no sense what so ever. And let’s not forget Dan Doyle’s doing this for the most part
to promote sales of his book.

It’s really quite amazing that Dan Doyle half way through the conversation
(when he starts to realize that Frank Shamrocks is a person of intelligence)
Basically calls Frank an idiot, and to top it off says he has no credibility with regards
to what he’s saying, because he’s a person that’s highly qualified within M.M.A?

Oh of course Dan I get it…….so people that have no knowledge of the M.M.A.
(apart from hearing about it from the mass media machine) automatically have all the
right in the world to attack it…..hmmmmm … and with credibility (( W.T.F ))

It’s the people like Dan Doyle that make this world a shit place for us all to live in, with there
twisted “Core Values of Empathy”

And Dan Doyle doesn’t stop there he also attacks parents for taking there kids to MMA, I mean
parents have been taking there kids to boxing and many other forms of self defense for decades.

I got taught boxing/Karate at school, but that was the U.K. I don’t know weather that’s the same
In the States? I haven’t looked into it?

I agree w/ most that kids should be able to participate in MMA but w/ certain restrictions as stated in many of these posts. I also like the idea of not having kids compete in MMA as much as learn it until they get older…..

fotownbjjfeather Says, in 7-24-2008 at 12:07:51 from 71.3.106.5 i believe that kids should be allowed to do martial arts to a certian extent…whats going to happen when they hit 13-17 years old “rebellion stage” and gets in a fight in school and hurts some kid really bad?
also…think about the crazy fucking parents that scream and yell at their kids when they play football and dont perform well…etc…idk

You completely miss the point of the teaching of martial arts fotownbjjfeather,Most serious practitioners of MA don’t go through that rebellious stage or not to the same degree as most kids as they have learnt self disipline and practised it for many years.Also you go on about parents going crazy at their kids sports but you fail to realise that alot of these kids parents probably trained in traditional MA and have the same discipline or even if they haven’t at least it is alot safer when you have officials who are usually trained MA’s themselves compared to the littlemen who afficiate at football etc and get whipped by these loser parents who go overboard.

It amazes me when a professional talker goes up against a professional fighter.MMA needs a spokesperson.

I am a very big fan of MMA and believe for even tempered adults it is a fine thing to learn but for kids and teenagers i think we have to realize that is a little stupid to say and i totally question the intelligence level of anyone who thinks its ok and compares MMA to other sports. Other sports do not teach kids how to maliciously and brutally hurt, even potentially kill someone. Kids and teenagers are not stable enough to know MMA. They would react to every situation that arised with violence and not in a much more safer way since they feel like they know what to do and feel like they can properlly defend themselves. We have to realize that a Adults mind is much more stable then a teenagers mind. We can react and properlly judge situations and use rational thinking to decide what to do. Most kids react on strictly emotion and do not think about the consequences. So give a unstable teen the ability to seriously hurt somone, throw a situation in their face that could easily be diffused by a rational adult but not by a teen, and you have a disater waiting to happen. Believe me allow kids to do MMA and we are gonna see in the news kids seriously hurting and killing each other and then MMA will be even worse off and looked down upon then it is now

Hi all, its to soon for the kids, from 13 years ,the best age

I competed in one of these pankration events, and those kids are very competitive. What is worse? getting hit in the body trying to work ur opponent to a submission? or putting on a helmet and evrytime ur crack someone or get cracked ur brain is rattling. Kids box with helmets but take 60 shots to the head througout the fight. These kids never take a single hit to the head. If they do, the person is most likely DQ’d. Doesnt suprise me that the person who debated this is old as hell. Probably is a boxing fan. Only hardcore old boxing fans describe mma the way he did.

You can tell kids in mma is wrong because it just looks so creepy…
Sickening…
I dont really think a child needs to be taught how to break someones arm or knock someone out….
Let them be kids.

I mean damn if you’re gong to criticize something at least know a little of what your talking about.

I started Karate when i was 5 and wrestling at 9. I was always very timid, and would avoid a fight at all costs. It was the big roid-freak jocks that always started fights. Though I only knew a handful of kids who had studied boxing or karate, they were all quiet, well mannered kids. So in response to ColChaotic, kids are going to fight, it just happens, but the ones who have been taught discipline will react more accordingly in my experience versus those who have been taught aggression. Though I dont think 5 and 6 yr olds should be learning MMA, there is nothing wrong with martial arts in some of their simpler disciplines (karate,boxing,wrestling). Furthermore, I got picked on most of my life and never did anything about it, but at the age of 15, I was finally forced to defend myself, and I did so quite well. It’s a rough world, don’t be a victim.

Did anyone else want to beat the shit out of that fat old fuck?

Frank can not debate… He talks literally about nothing… Martial ares is about dicipline, responsibility and the such, but MMA isn’t typical Martial arts… I was raised with Tai kwan do, and I currently practice muay tai and greco roman wrestling… and it is not the same. The amount of full contact these kids are going through is too much. As a psych major, their minds are not mature enough to make sense of this vioence in the way we think that it will, To hear the way some of these coaches(some young enough to be my kid) motivate kids by telling them to get angry and “make them pay” how do you think kids respond to this?. In Formal martial arts students go through forms, stances, and respect to their instructor as not only a expert but a rolemodel (Now let me say now, i have visited schools where i aprove of the teaching styles of MMA with kids, But these videos are too much, and the parents are even worse.)… I guess all im saying is MMA is an amazing sport that requires enormous amounts of dedication and hard work just like any other martial art… but many(not all) of the fanbase and practitionars are nothing more than wannabe badasses, and bullys who ONLY like to be physically tough.

Comments like “Did anyone else want to beat the shit out of that fat old fuck?” and “does anybody else feel like kicking that fat old fucking retard in the face?” really aren’t helping your case against Dan Doyle…

Really, it’s a mixed bag when it comes to how martial arts are going to affect kids. It depends on how it’s taught to them and what the kid’s personality is like. I know it didn’t make me a more violent or cruel person. However, I knew some troubled teenagers who were into martial arts, and all it really did was make them more dangerous.

“The Karate Kid” is honestly a good analogy for how martial arts can be either be good or bad for people.

Paddedummy, your the type of punk im talking about. and your the reason guys like doyle and critics of MMA exist. Thanks for trying to get MMA back on the blacklist.