Comments on: Forrest Griffin Defeats Mauricio Shogun Rua At UFC 76 Knockout http://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/ MMA Videos and News Fri, 31 Oct 2014 18:33:03 +0000 hourly 1 By: Billhttp://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/comment-page-1/#comment-2970 Tue, 01 Jan 2008 21:26:49 +0000 http://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/#comment-2970 The answer is always fixed when a persons favourite fighter gets beat. People lose fights, it happens, it is possible Shogun took Forrest lightly but that his fault, maybe Forrest has his number and is better than people think. The better fighter doesn’t always win. Its MMA! one punch could end it at any time, one mistake, a submission…

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By: hawkeyehttp://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/comment-page-1/#comment-2157 Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:21:05 +0000 http://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/#comment-2157 Personnally I can’t believe the people who are saying these fights are fixed. Clearly Shogun had a bad night, get over it. Don’t you think one of the fighters would have said something by now about it being fixed. Can’t see Frank Shamrock keeping his mouth shut about something like that, or Ken for that matter. And if they were fixed then you got to put alot of blame on the fighters. Shogun could get millions working for anyone, and you reckon he gutless enough to get paid to lie down for Griffin for a payoff. Come on guys.

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By: Neilhttp://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/comment-page-1/#comment-1808 Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:10:52 +0000 http://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/#comment-1808 All this talk about fighters not looking themselves is mildly humorous. Did anyone see the Gomi vs Diaz fight earlier this year? Gomi got whooped and submitted in a pretty impressive fashion by Nick Diaz of all people. Gomi didn’t look himself… I mean come on! Gomi like Rua gassed early on resulting in his loss of the fight. Period.
It makes me laugh that so many people so quickly conclude these fights are always fixed.
And in regards to Langren’s post:

“Yeah,that makes sense.I’m sure they wanted a non-english speaking Brazilian to be their poster boy for an all American audience.Much better than a charismatic hometown underdog.”

If this is the case then why the hell would the powers that be opt for the likes of Anderson Silva as Middle-weight champ? Like Rua, he requires a translator and is surely a less desirable fan for the home fans than 100% pure American Rich Franklin. Silva is simply a better all-round MMA fighter thats why he demolished Franklins ass twice. No ifs, buts or fixing. (Just to let you know with that said I am still a big fan of Franklin)

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By: Markhttp://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/comment-page-1/#comment-1008 Mon, 15 Oct 2007 08:20:33 +0000 http://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/#comment-1008 Come on guys!!! The fight was obviously fixed. The exclamation point to the fix was the fact that Shogun taps to a rear naked choke with less than a minute left in the fight. He wasn’t even sure if he was successful enough in his effort trying to lose the fight to convince the judges to give Forrest a decision so he tapped. I have seen Shogun in 8 other mma matches, which I have on DVDs. He just does not give up his back to anybody like that unless of course he is baiting them. Come on Dana, what kind of shit are you trying to pull. PLEASE!! DON’T FUCK THIS SPORT UP WITH THIS KIND OF HORSE SHIT.

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By: dudewithfacehttp://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/comment-page-1/#comment-949 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:08:57 +0000 http://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/#comment-949 im pretty sure theyre not acting when they fight but ufc does try and pair them up with people to try and get a win with the popular people
liddell vs jardine – jardine sucks they expected liddell to win and get every 1 to like him again, lol they probably would have gave him the win if it wernt for the matt and bisping fight then every 1 would think its really fixed
cro cop vs kongo – they gave him someone that would stand up and fight him hoping he could win and have the fight every 1 wants cro cop vs randy
i really dont think theyre fakeing it but i do think ufc is playing with the matches to get the outcome they want

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By: randallhttp://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/comment-page-1/#comment-826 Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:12:51 +0000 http://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/#comment-826 Well, I’m liking allot of what I’m hearing here. The understanding that Rua was clearly not himself on most of the posts here shows me that most of you peeps have watched more than one of Shoguns previous bouts.
Mauricio “Shogun” Rua was terribly marketed here in the states leading up to this fight, the night of the 22nd of september. Everything about Shogun from the premotion of 76 pre fight, was cold and without any attempt at showing Mauricio’s humanity, just that he was a vicious animal in the ring from a far off place who couldn’t speek english. Here’s the thing, I don’t mind that(even though any avid follower of mma knows Rua to be quite the contrary, aside from of course the speaking english part) because I don’t feel I have to know I could get along with a guy to be able to appreciate his skills in the cage/ring, but this is where the true animal sinks his teeth in with a ferocious snarl, you know what I’m talking about,the worshipers of “THE ALMIGHTY COIN”. The big wigs at the UFC knew they had a pre- packaged product in Griffin with his underdog story that was relayed to a built in audience he attained through the silly “THE ULTIMATE FIGHTER” show and simply used Rua to further push their product in an amazing display of deft by the UFC marketing dept. Anyhow that was just a side note, oh! Wait a minute!!! I forgot to mention how they(THE UFC’S MONEY HUNGRY EXEC’S) gave Griffin the All Access, like anybody needs more info on a guy who came into being via the television!!! He’s a fucking “REALITY” T.V. star for fucks sake!!!! But seriously I’m moving on to what’s acctually important. No thanks to the fucking UFC’s heartless corperate suite’s this might be the first time you’ve heard this, so time to start explaining what actually happened with Shogun in UFC76 Knockout…… lol! Well, about a month before the fight Rua fucked his knee up while training, so vast amounts of cardio conditioning were clearly skipped to avoid another injury.
He simply trained around the problem apparently feeling confident in the cardio/endurance department. Now I don’t know if I BELIEVE that’s the reason he followed through with making the 22nd his debut, but it’s what he’s saying or at least his camp team chute boxe is saying(GOOGLE IT BITCH) but the lack of training and his injured knee IS the reason for his calm approach and gassing half way into the second round, not because of Griffin’s “skill” ha! Gimme a break! On top of that, factor in Rua’s recent wedding (2 weeks before the fight)and sudden brush with fame in the states (Adrianna Lima, Vanity Fair cover, photo shoot) and you’ve got a whole new picture painted before your eyes. Don’t get me wrong I know in the end it was Shogun’s move not to reschedule therefore Shogun’s mistake that resulted in Shogun’s defeat at the hands of the soon to be 205lb gate keeper and with the moniker of “THE GUY WHO BEAT SHOGUN ONCE.” Shogun beat himself had he a bit more energy he could have stopped Griffin 1st round tko, and based off how well Shogun did undertrained and injured you’d be a fool to disagree.

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By: Nivhttp://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/comment-page-1/#comment-793 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 05:15:07 +0000 http://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/#comment-793 OK for the guys who believe this fight was fixed, I stated I didn’t think it was, but I definitely am well aware of what you are saying.

When you have one organization acting as promoter and manager you are asking for trouble. The Bisping Hamill fight was clearly bullshit, and I think that decision was a hometown decision. On the Rua fight I see all of the concerns, and I still can’t believe this was the same guy that utterly destroyed all the competition (including Quinton)winning the 2005 Pride Grand Prix. But, I think and this is more wishfull thinking than logic, the UFC would be extremely stupid to take chances this big at having this sport killed just as it’s taking off.

Let’s face it, if they’re fixing fights and telling their fighters to go out and fight a lame fight, they will eventually get caught and it will cost them everything. It took decades but boxing has almost completely died. This is a result of people knowing that what they’re getting may not always be what it seems.

UFC, if you’re reading any of these posts and any of this is true, please don’t be stupid; this sport will sell itself to knowledgeable fans and it will continue to grow. Don’t jeapordize this thing, it has so much potential and you’re seeing it.

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By: Jorgehttp://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/comment-page-1/#comment-792 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 04:15:13 +0000 http://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/#comment-792 Shogun lost against Forest, now the next fixed fight would be Emelianenko losing against whoever thechampion is in UFC. Should we call it now WWFC?

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By: EBDhttp://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/comment-page-1/#comment-785 Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:47:06 +0000 http://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/#comment-785 There’s no doubt that the puckish, lovable, balls-out, beer-drinking middle-America underdog-warrior Griffin is far more marketable than Rua is, or that Randy Couture is a thousand times more marketable to middle America than Gonzaga ever could be.

The popular-hero narrative — “they said he was too old” or “he’s gangly, slow, unskilled and doesn’t have a punch, yet he wins with his heart and character” — that earns Zuffa it’s millions would crash and burn if the UFC simply tried to find out who the best fighters in the world are. The best fighter might well be an ugly, uncooperative, non-English-speaking wife-beater who lives, crime-connected, in Brazil — try selling merch in Nebraska with that — and you’d see the likes of a Matt Lindgren, say, comprehensively ass-whipping — probably in a “boring” fight — a lot of the UFC’s commercial stars — the Griffins, the Jardines and the Bonners.

It’s instructive to compare two fights: Jackson vs. Henderson, and Griffin vs. Bonner. Jackson vs. Henderson was a world-class fight, fought at the highest, deadly-competent level of skill. The fans — unbelievably — booed, and the announcers seemed concerned about the lack of “action.” Whereas when the famous and personable Griffin took on the personable and famous Bonner, in a fight that was — in relative terms — like watching a couple of 65 year-old drunks fighting over a woman, the fans were on their feet going nuts, and afterwards Dana White, who knighted the occasion as a breakthrough moment for the UFC, couldn’t stop grinning; he kept saying like he couldn’t say it strongly or often enough that it was “the best fucking fight in the history of the UFC.”

Which fight would Zuffa prefer?

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By: HOPAhttp://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/comment-page-1/#comment-781 Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:50:23 +0000 http://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/#comment-781 I honestly don´t think that Shogun is a profitable fighter for Zuffa. Trying to build a big showdown between him and say, Silva would require terrible amounts of marketing as US fans are not familiar with them. And on the other hand 2 foreign fighters could never draw as much attention as for example a dull XXth rematch between Tito and Ken.. Griffin on the other hand is a well known american fighter around whom big showdowns can be easily built. You just need to “let him have” one more win to pit him against Quinton. Outcome of that match doesnt matter actually as both are american and both draw audience. Shogun or Silva on the other hand are way too foreign to hold belts at this point. Propably after a year if they perform well and crowd learns to know them and which is more important starts to like em,they can be used in title fights.
Thus, I gotta agree with FIN and Jorge. You, dangermatt seem a dedicated MMA fan as for you the fights you mentioned are important, but I doubt they are that for Zuffa.

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By: Jorgehttp://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/comment-page-1/#comment-780 Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:28:06 +0000 http://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/#comment-780 Did I mentioned that it only took Shogun less than 4 min to beat the crap out of rampage, so bad rampage couldn’t even move after they stoped the fight? Do you really still thinking that UFC is real?

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By: langrenhttp://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/comment-page-1/#comment-776 Fri, 28 Sep 2007 04:43:30 +0000 http://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/#comment-776 Yeah,that makes sense.I’m sure they wanted a non-english speaking Brazilian to be their poster boy for an all American audience.Much better than a charismatic hometown underdog.

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By: dangermatthttp://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/comment-page-1/#comment-769 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:16:40 +0000 http://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/#comment-769 The Griffin fight was fixed? If the UFC were going to fix the fight is that what they would want? Are they happy with this result? HELL NO! Ridiculous! Rua was brought in as Pride’s best with the hope for big win followed up by a big showdown with either Rampage or Chuck or Silva on down the line. That’s what they were hoping for. That’s what they would “fix” if they could.

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By: langrenhttp://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/comment-page-1/#comment-767 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:20:53 +0000 http://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/#comment-767 “FIN” has some very solid points.The UFC is a business.It’s job is to make money.In order to do that they need personalities.Forrest Griffen is a face that people can get behind.If you look at the big picture it isn’t difficult to predict what will happen in the coming year.1-Jardine Beat Griffen.2-Griffen beat Shogun,Jardine beat Liddell(on the same card).3-Now that both are in title contention they will have a rematch to see who fights for the title.(Griffen will win)4-Griffen will fight Rampage,and in a display of true heart will overcome adversity in order to triumph and gain the title.5-Cue dumb Americans going apeshit,viewership increases,profits increase,Parent Corporation,Zuffa is happy.
I’m not sure why this concept is so difficult for some of you to understand.It has been going on in major sports for eons.Whenever there is money to be made,there will be fixed fights/games.Get your heads out of your asses people and wake up.Oh,and by the way,I am a professional MMA fighter.

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By: pamkinghttp://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/comment-page-1/#comment-761 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 03:37:06 +0000 http://www.mmatko.com/forrest-griffin-defeats-mauricio-shogun-rua-at-ufc-76-knockout/#comment-761 Wow. Some of you people need to quit confusing MMA with the WWE.

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