Alistair Overeem Vs Tae Hyun Lee Fight Video DREAM 4

Good old fashion ass whoopin

couldnt say it any better hans

It was as ass whooping yes, but back? This fight was completely set up for this conclusion/outcome. He needs to be tested again before he’s “back”.

sweet combo

Are there any good Korean fighters? All I see them function as is cannon fodder.

Exactly! That’s all this was……..Allistar getting a win under him. Another Japanese mismatch. I actually don’t like to watch one-sided beat downs like this. I’ve seen enough of them growing up and this wasn’t much different.

Allistar is definitely a tough fighter and I would love for him to come to the UFC (HW or 205) to test himself. I question whether it’s a little too late now though. It should have been done a long time ago because in my opinion, he would have had a better career in UFC than in PRIDE. He may have been a “Liddell”; you never know, especially seeing how close their PRIDE fight was. Regardless of where he is at in his career, I’d still like to see him test himself in the UFC.

Great combo..that overhand right put the guy to sleep!
As for him not taking this fight…this is a GP tournament…in other words he needs to beat his way to the big pay cheque at the end of the tournament…so I think he would be happy to get easy money..

is it just me or does Overeem’s neck look alot bigger than it use to

Talk about a joke of a match-up. This is why there are regulatory organizations in the US to make sure some rookie with two fights doesn’t fight a veteran with 27+ fights. I have a feeling that Overeem would be destroyed by most UFC fighters.

Denis Kang is the only decent Korean fighter I can think of. Even though he probably spends more time in Canada and the United States.

“Csari0″ – thanks for the wonderfully intelligent response, and for the assumption that because Japanese MMA hasn’t impressed me, the only thing I know must be the UFC.
Truly a stunning display of logic.

I feel no need to defend my history with MMA to you, but since I’m in a good mood, what the hell. I’ve been a combat martial arts fan for a little over 10 years now. I started with K-1 and now regularly watched the UFC, WEC, EliteXC (unfortunately), and sadly, even the Dream and Grand Prix fights that they host.

If I were you (and believe me, I thank God that I’m not), I’d think a little longer before jumping to conclusions. I’d also take the time to read my post concerning the Manhoef/Sakuraba fight. He was a great fighter once, but if you think he’s anything other than a can after watching Manhoef pull his pathetic ass back into the ring so that he couldn’t escape through the ropes, you’re the one living in a “Dream” pal. He was completely humiliated and had absolutely no business being in that GP, much less fighting Manhoef.

Oh, and if the can had won? Good for him, I love seeing the underdog get a hard-fought win. But I also hate seeing someone who had little to no chance get the s**t kicked out of him. It’s like throwing a kid in there and wishing him the best of luck.

But yeah, feel free to jump to some more conclusions about my MMA history and viewing preferences. I’m sure they’ll all be as well thought-out as your first ones (assuming there was some thought involved, of course

yeah 6 foot 6 korean, former sumo wrestler not exactly a kid just getting thrown in there. Allistair is the same level as fabricio werdum. Hopefully he fights cro cop in the fall and heads to the ufc before he hits 35- so he has some time. Too bad mma fighters love japan because of the respect and the mma knowledge of the average fan isn’t “stand them up”. watch the mousasi fight and listen to the fans cheer when they’re both on the ground wrestling for an arm for a few minutes, ufc would have stoof that up for sure. The thing I think overeen might have trouble with in the ufc would be adapting to a cage rather than competition, though he’d still probably lose to big nog. hey maybe affliction could get their hands on overeem, that would be sweet he could fight arlovski or rothwell or someone

look…asian and korean fighters suck. period.

Training with Fedor seemed to be the turning point in Allistairs career. He had taken a couple losses that he probably shouldn’t have. But hes been on a tear lately. Saw him beat the piss outta Paul Buentello to take the Strikeforce HW belt a couple nights ago. (though I’m not sure how recent that fight was, it seemed he had no problem performing well in a cage)

See, I think there’s a pretty fine line between fighting through adversity with a warrior spirit and getting the shit kicked outta you by guys you would have killed as little as 3 or 4 years ago. I respect a fighter who pushes his limits, and fighters who fight into their 40s are by no means weaker (Randy Couture is an obvious example), but at some point in a fighter’s life, he’s got to understand that he can’t compete anymore.

I know you can’t get to that level of any sport without being highly driven, and that level of drive itself can push you to stay in it for longer than you should. I just think it’s a damn shame when a fighter who could have retired just after peaking and avoided a painful decline chooses to stay in and suffers for it.

And yes, getting dragged back into the ring by your foot so that you can’t escape from more ass-whooping GnP is incredibly humiliating, a fact made all the worse given how dominant he used to be.

But sure, continue to make your assumptions and encourage those fighters on towards their breaking point. And you claim that you truly understand the warrior spirit? Please.

And Dpeng, you may consider me annoying, but I consider you irrelevant. ’nuff said to you.

ummm, i didnt see sakuraba running, he had his legs out to try to stop himself from getting hit. he had just got punded and got moved out of the ring. Saying that someone like sakuraba was running away is complete disrespect. Ive never seen him run away, in any fight in his career. So dont try to make him sound like less of a fighter than he is. it just isnt right. annnnd, its not Alistair’s fault. this is a tourney. its not like he said, “i want to fight the guy with 2 fights under his belt! i think that will be a great challenge!” he fought the guy he had to fight to advance through the competition. this isnt the same situation as being offered a fight and turning it down. if you turn it down, you lose dont you?

I’ve never claimed it was Alistair or Melvin’s fault (if I may quote myself: “I’m not saying either of those Dutch fighters suck (not by a long shot) but they sure as hell haven’t had a chance to prove their quality”)

They put someone in front of him and he did the job he trains to do. I just think Sakuraba’s done and shouldn’t have been in the GP.

Again, to rebut, I didn’t say Sakuraba was running, either. I said Manhoef pulled him into the ring to prevent his escape. If the GnP pushed him any farther out, Sakuraba would have gotten a break from the GnP while they were moved back to the center. I don’t mean imply that Sakuraba was running away, but had the fight been interrupted, Manhoef could have lost some momentum. As it was, he just embarassed Sakuraba because Sakuraba couldn’t even stop Manhoef from dragging him to where he wanted him.

Ok, here’s my last rant on this, I promise (at least for now, heh)-

The idea of professional sports is that only the best of the best compete. People pay to see athletes who are extraordinarily gifted and at the top of their game, or getting there.

To me, that means that everyone in the top level is either a real potential title contender, a title holder, or at the very least, a very tough stepping stone.

When you mix entertainment into mixed martial arts or any other organized combat league, organizers/leagues/etc… tend to start placing the “asses-in-seats” quotient ahead of what is best for the fighters. Sakuraba’s a former champion and world-class fighter, so the crowds love a chance to see him fight. Better for the league’s revenue, the arena’s revenue, and (if they’re lucky), the fighters’ purses.

Whether or not it’s prudent for them to compete at this level any longer stops being the primary consideration for them and others in that situation and fighters get hurt.

Putting Sakuraba in there against a wrecking machine with Manhoef’s record was the closest thing to a fixed fight as you can get without breaking the rules – you could bet on the winner with near-absolute certainty. Why do that to Sakuraba, or perhaps more importantly, why would he subject himself to that? He’s got nothing left to prove and if he was prudent, he’s got a sack of money to see him through his transition to whatever comes next in his life.

Dream will be a much more interesting league when all of the fighters in a GP and in their regular matchups have a real chance of beating each other. I’m not saying other leagues don’t do the same thing, but I can’t think of any others where I see it nearly as often.

Anyhow, that’s my $.02. For those who don’t think it’s worth even half that, if you do respond, how about we try avoiding a flame fest and stick to the subject of disagreement? It makes that whole “intelligent debate” thing much easier.

“Csari0 Says: I should know better than debate with a woman, as a man I’m wrong by being right. Enough said.”

As usual, an insult instead of an intelligent response. Well, that’s one more person on the “Doesn’t have a f**king clue” board of people I ignore.

Oveereem is huge
A lot bigger since that Chuck fight
Good old ass whipping

“dan Says Kieran is an idiot. If someone wants to fight let them fight. Everyone deserves a chance to prove themselves even if they dont have 20 fights under them. As long as its not a title fight, why shouldnt he fight Aleister. Be quiet.”

Thanks for your extremely well-reasoned (and spelled) opinion.

As for your question “why shouldnt he fight [Alistair]?” I’ll go with “Because he didn’t have a f**king prayer and in my opinion, that’s not entertainment. That’s organized assault and battery.”

Or maybe “The safety of the fighters should be a high priority, if not the #1 concern. A mismatch like that plays to the audience and disregards the fighter’s well-being, and that should never occur.”

Either one or both will do to answer your question, so hopefully you’ll take your own advice now and silence yourself. If you must speak, try to at least pretend like you have a brain.

“Sakuraba’s situation is obviously different than these, but it’s easy to point fingers in hindsight.”

I can’t say it any better. Couture was still in top form after getting crunched by Liddell – Sakuraba isn’t even close to his top form any longer. If he was still training, it can’t have been too hard – he was clearly out of form for the fight. There’s no telling if he gassed or not because getting rocked as hard as he did will take it out of anyone, no matter how many punches they’ve thrown, but he sure didn’t have a lot of fight in him. That’s about as different an example from Couture as it gets.

And if you read my post, I don’t argue that Sakuraba wasn’t entertaining – that’s part of why he was there, I’m sure, and the crowd loves a champion – so I don’t see how he compares to Sakuraba’s case. Yoshida’s record is average, sure, but it’s against some of the biggest in the sport, with wins against Don Frye, Mark Hunt and a few other noticeables. His losses are to guys like Barnett, Wanderlei, and (as you mentioned) Mirko.

They’re both entertaining fighters, sure, but Yoshida’s record of noticeable losses isn’t nearly as significant as the man they call “The Gracie Hunter,” who beat so many of the Gracies (4 I think it was) back when everyone was starting to wonder if they were invincible and who stopped guys like Randleman and Rampage back in the day. Who’s got farther to fall?

Anyhow, I suppose it’s all moot. The fighters choose to fight, whatever their reasons, and nothing I post on an internet board they’ll never read could ever matter at all, but I still think it’s a shame to watch them fall apart (or get taken apart).

“but I still think it’s a shame to watch them fall apart”

I can’t disagree with that andI sure hope Sakuraba doesn’t fight any more explosive strikers.

I can’t help but recall the end of TK’s career: an equally futile (albeit far more spirited) fight against a powerful kickboxer (Mark Hunt) in a tournament. I suppose it could be pride or a hope to go out with a last hurrah that gets fighters into these situations.

At any rate, I think it’s high time Sakuraba and Tamura fight!