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PitFighterZ Says, in 6-19-2011 at 01:11:49 from 71.63.32.5    

Both looked very bad here. Overeem was gun-shy and Werdum should change his nickname to “Cai Cavalo” as all he did was fall down. If he stood up a bit more, he could have outscored Overeem.
After this fight, I really believe both “” and Kharitonov have a legitimate chance to win this thing. Actually, even Big Foot might have a chance against Overeem. He is much bigger and a little faster than Werdum.

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Rear Naked Smoke AKA Hands of Stoned Says, in 6-19-2011 at 01:27:15 from 68.197.31.196    

Someone versed in BJJ has to explain to me what just happened. He was there. He had Reem down several times. Why was he barely even bothering to close the guard? Why wasn’t he holding on for dear life? And why wasn’t he going for subs???
Ok, and like it or not, Overeem looked like s*** too. Are you all ready to admit that he’s not as good as you thought he was? Or are we all still doing the whole “Reem is the best” thing?

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streetfighter50 Says, in 6-19-2011 at 01:40:44 from 24.113.249.247    

Damn what a boring fight :( Was thinkin Overeem was gonna kill this guy ASAP

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Op_of_Faith Says, in 6-19-2011 at 01:42:37 from 174.62.77.171    

Overeem fought a SMART fight. Might not have been the most exciting but playing to someone’s strengths is dumb.

The performance was dominant. Being that this is a fight that will be called by judges-the SMART move is to make your opponent look bad…that’s what Overeem did…they both faded in the end, but Overeem won…

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McClinchey Says, in 6-19-2011 at 01:49:46 from 173.32.106.107    

werdum should be punished for this s*** like give his purse to charity or something because he didnt earn it.

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Grape Soda Says, in 6-19-2011 at 02:04:02 from 76.95.121.32    

I have Big Foot as a favorite in the finals.
Thanks Bruno!

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willay Says, in 6-19-2011 at 02:11:34 from 24.213.82.191    

Overeem is still one of the best. He just held back and was careful because of the style of the match up. If this was kickboxing bout Alistair would have easily knocked him out within the first round. To say Alistair is not one of the best because he didn’t knock someone out in one fight and got a decision win is ridiculous and shows lack of knowledge of fighting. Bottom line.

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Ocho Fett Says, in 6-19-2011 at 02:21:44 from 205.172.16.102    

They both sucked…and both will do badly in the UFC

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yo Says, in 6-19-2011 at 02:41:20 from 108.23.207.219    

top heavyweights in the world? thats a laugh Dos Santos would destroy all four of these boso’s in the same night. Brock lesner could beat those guys. That was weak……

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jassmo Says, in 6-19-2011 at 03:10:58 from 78.2.101.12    

reem almost fainted givin interview after the fight cause he couldnt catch his breath, i mean after a fight like this, talk about overrated, he is a one round pony

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straightAhead Says, in 6-19-2011 at 03:13:31 from 212.77.203.180    

As if any of the UFC heavy weight fights have been all that lately. Get real.

Cecil Peoples strikes again. Verdum clearly won the 1st round.

Get rid of these boxing judges and bring in some SAMBO judges to judge MMA instead.

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straightAhead Says, in 6-19-2011 at 03:19:24 from 212.77.203.180    

Also, MMA fighters who are know they are outmatched standing will never succeed in MMA when top level competition is involved. They have no chance because MMA favors stand up fighters. The ref will always stand them up if one of the fighters refuses to go to the ground which is exactly what happened in this fight. But Werdum definitely won that 1st round.

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ETK Says, in 6-19-2011 at 03:35:27 from 76.90.3.27    

Credit should be given for each time Overeem stuffed Werdum’s take down attempts.
Credit should be given for each time Overeem threw Werdum down.
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ETK Says, in 6-19-2011 at 03:40:09 from 76.90.3.27    

and credit for every time Overeem pulled out of Werdum’s guard and stood up.

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ETK Says, in 6-19-2011 at 03:40:44 from 76.90.3.27    

so many fighters would have been hopelessly caught by Werdum’s very first take down.

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lee Says, in 6-19-2011 at 03:56:11 from 86.145.104.225    

that was shocking oveeem overated in my eyes wont even be a top 5 fighter in da ufc werdum would pulled his foot of with another min UFC ALLTHEWAY

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fufc Says, in 6-19-2011 at 03:57:24 from 75.32.216.122    

c’mon there are rules and everything, but repeatedly falling on your back is not considered fighting to me

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gosuu Says, in 6-19-2011 at 04:12:27 from 71.35.155.123    

Gus Johnson… He’s so bad. That was a terrible, terrible interview. His commentary is horrible. Christ.

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doire1 Says, in 6-19-2011 at 04:46:09 from 87.232.1.93    

what a disappointing fight that was, Overeem did impress in the first round with his take down defense and striking. But was it just me or did both fighters begin to gas after the 1st round???
Werdum should be punished for the way he lay on floor and tried to rest when getting back up. As for Overeem he needs to work on his conditioning if he was fighting a JDS or Cain he would have lost this fight and possibly been stopped. Best heavyweight in the world??? No way!

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Murell Says, in 6-19-2011 at 07:47:26 from 99.102.116.124    

Werdum got lucky against Fedor! this proves it.

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Maelman Says, in 6-19-2011 at 08:02:46 from 65.93.119.243    

Why do most of you guys commenting even watch fights at this level of competition? It’s not rock em sock em robots – get a clue.

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GetSome Says, in 6-19-2011 at 08:30:15 from 69.143.222.105    

This fight was pathetic for me because of the antics of both men. Werdum gesturing Overeem to go to the ground, Overeem telling him to get up, etc. Just fight you stupid morons. I agree both of these guys would get smashed by the top UFC fighters.

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mk Says, in 6-19-2011 at 08:30:21 from 71.7.228.31    

Dos Santos, Velasques or Carwin could all beat Overeem or Werdum IMHO.

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60ndown Says, in 6-19-2011 at 09:19:37 from 98.234.24.168    

great fight, wrong decision.Werdum won imo.he landed more strikes, was more aggressive, better on the ground, all lumpy did was throw bombs and lay and pray.

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OverHandGoodNight Says, in 6-19-2011 at 09:55:47 from 174.140.191.95    

If you fast forward every 30 seconds it is the same thing over and over. That was embarrassing. Werdum should have been deducted 10 percent of his purse for that showing. Throw a punch fall on my back. Throw a kick fall on my back. Crawl around the ring. Act like a bitch. Try to pull guard. F**k I use like watching Strikeforce until the UFC purchased it. Dana must whisper in all the fighters ear. Hey fight like a p****, eek out a decision get your win bonus and go home to your family with a fat wallet and the look of a defeated man/p**** who is too scared to let it all hang out in the ring. Good night Strikefarce.

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bigbob Says, in 6-19-2011 at 10:34:29 from 69.156.213.36    

i disagree both of these dudes would easily
k.o brock and give cain a runfor his money,
enuff said

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captainnapalm Says, in 6-19-2011 at 10:35:07 from 72.83.136.205    

amazing takedown defense by overeem. i dunno, i really enjoyed the fight.

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mateo Says, in 6-19-2011 at 10:39:56 from 128.232.235.229    

Overeem is a terrible freaking fighter…he looked like a robot. JDS would destroy him. Cain would destroy him. In fact, Carwin would probably too. Second tier HW fighter.

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JoeDog Says, in 6-19-2011 at 10:47:23 from 66.228.21.226    

Odd fight. Seems Werdum is overly confident in his BJJ and Overeem is seriously fearful of it. Playing it safe won the fight for Overeem nonetheless. Watching Werdum lay on his back and Overeem all but help him to his feet made for an unusually lame fight. I guess you can’t fault Overeem for following a strategy that resulted in a win, but he sure did not win any fans.

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what? Says, in 6-19-2011 at 11:56:00 from 70.112.240.187    

The last breath in the mic by overeem said it all. “worthless”.

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what? Says, in 6-19-2011 at 11:56:25 from 70.112.240.187    

How did overeem win anyway? I counted about 10 shots that were effective by him. While Verdum was landing more shots and attempting more subs.

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what? Says, in 6-19-2011 at 11:56:46 from 70.112.240.187    

Neither one of them could even come close to beating brock lesnar and he’s not even even close to #1 in the ufc.

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what? Says, in 6-19-2011 at 11:58:17 from 70.112.240.187    

I hate to admit it but maybe dana white really does know what he’s talking about. go figure….

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Beast w/ 8 Limbs Says, in 6-19-2011 at 12:17:46 from 68.202.234.76    

If Werdum were a stronger striker he could have Ko’d Overeem. Kharitonov is that guy, I think. I knew Overeem was going to win, but I was screaming for Werdum in the 2nd round. Love an underdog.

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trousersnake Says, in 6-19-2011 at 12:32:52 from 88.65.62.105    

Congrats to the reem. He fought a smart fight,. Werdum is boring and was not wiiling to fight. In fact, I do respect Werdums BJJ skillz but this is MMA. He should get punished by the ref( on the scoringcards- deducting of purse- etc) for delaying the fight and his unwillingness. Bad after fight interview…very bad. Bad job by the ref- therefore the fight was stucky without any flow.Werdum has not enough power in his strikes, but he had some -not many-flurrys. Overeem took some shots which didn#t affect him, but with an other guy he should watch out fighting like that. All in one- not the best performance by Overeem. But he did it.

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Spanky Says, in 6-19-2011 at 12:33:31 from 99.140.142.11    

Overrated! Overrated! Wait, I mean. Overream! Overream!

AO can’t box but he sure can inject steroids good!

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Juniordoslightsout Says, in 6-19-2011 at 12:43:01 from 24.2.95.168    

a couple of you said werdum won that first round. I thought he may have won the third if any. They should definately start docking people like werdum for stalling that was a disgrace. train for 15 minutes come on these guys may have fought a total of five minutes that whole fight. the rest of the time was chest on chest and werdum getting up. for those five minute overeem tossed werdum to the ground over and over. I don’t think I would have given any of those rounds to werdum Overeem dominated where that entire fight took place. ring prescence overeem striking overeem and grappling overeem. Werdum only through 2 subs and overeem had more throughs than a pitcher in a complete game plus he took his back once. How do you not score this fight 30 27 werdum was litterally begging him to go to the ground praying please please. come on that was a joke.

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TsaGoii Says, in 6-19-2011 at 15:11:06 from 76.66.186.75    

Hmm.. I was disappointed to see both fighters perform the way they did.

I am truly looking forward to see them matched up against UFC HW.

Same MMA, but I doubt both fighters can claim to be on top of their games or anyone else game in their weight class.

After this, I believe none of them would have an easy fight against a Lesnar, Mir, Dos Santos, Carwin or Velasquez to name a few.

I may be wrong, but their cardio seem much better and they look quite more active in their fights.

Waiting for those match up to happen.

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rick Says, in 6-19-2011 at 16:04:38 from 75.142.226.234    

Over roid can kill lesser opponents with devastating knees but a Jitz guy like Werdum was actually landing more punches. That tells me Reem isnt that good against non chumps.
Also, Gus Johnson is the most akward announcer ever. Someone please let him go. Bas can take over.

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roadraner Says, in 6-19-2011 at 16:50:08 from 194.152.20.151    

we saw 2 thungs here. First werdum got very lucky against Fedor and owereem is a horsemuscle joke like Lesnar.You can’t be a mma champ if u gas out after first round. Now Fedor has an answer how to win against this musclepacks. Just survive the first round. the best in tournament is Kharitonov or Silva, if his gas tank is allright. And don’t forget Barnett with his experience.

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PitFighterZ Says, in 6-19-2011 at 17:43:41 from 71.63.32.5    

After all this, I think that Velasquez is by far the fastest and most complete HW around. Knowing that he also has the most powerful punch measured to date makes him a legit top of the food chain in the division.
JDS, Kharitonov, and Overeem lack ground game, especially wrestling, but JDS at least have decent BJJ.
Barnett is a great wrestler (MMA wrestler) and a decent overall fighter.
Big Foot is the variable here. He looked amazing during the second round against Fedor. But I’ve seen him looking really scared and pathetic before. So, which one is the true Pezao?
So, as HW ranking goes, this is my take for the moment (things can change pretty fast):

1. Cain Velasquez
2 and 3. Alistair Overeem and JDS
4 and 5. J. Barnett and S. Carwin
6. S. Kharitonov
7. Pezao
8. Frank Mir (he did beat Nelson without any trouble)
9. Fedor Emelianenko (can jump back to top 5 if he beats Hendo convincingly)
10. Brock Lesnar or F. Werdum (I think Brock would beat Werdum, but I am keeping both here until their next fights. I need to see if Brock learned how to take a punch and if Werdum found his balls).

Again, this is a momentary ranking, not of all time or anything longer than the last 4 years.

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Jack Says, in 6-19-2011 at 18:27:33 from 99.181.12.127    

I’m tired of all this UFC trolls. Hey haters remember that big country Nelsen got knockout by
Andre the Pit-bull Aloveski. My point is style make fights stop with that calling Strikeforce heavyweights 2nd tier fighters. I believe JDS
could not even hurt and let alone knockout Roy Nelsen,does that mean JDS is second tier fighter my answer is no. Strikeforce has by far overall
superior heavyweight fighters. So you haters get on that treadmill and start work that fat off before you become real Zuffa zombies for real.

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grizz Says, in 6-19-2011 at 18:45:05 from 76.90.121.108    

huffin’ n’ puffin’ at the end there

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costa200 Says, in 6-19-2011 at 18:57:46 from 217.129.118.127    

Boring fight. Werdum wanted BJJ, Overeem wanted K1… The thing is, neither looked all that hot in their respective strong points. Overeem was sloppy punching and Werdum wasn’t closing guard properly (in fact he seemed to be wanting to get exactly the same move he managed against Fedor, but a surprise is a one time thing).

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NdakotaStGnP Says, in 6-19-2011 at 21:13:09 from 71.50.186.214    

Nobody won here.. strikeforce sucks dick.. lay down, get up, swing miss ..ring circles, Ive seen teenagers fight harder than this.. come to the UFC guys and get destroyed

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Tempted Says, in 6-19-2011 at 22:04:21 from 166.248.65.35    

What a miserable performance by both of these clowns. If this was a UFC fight then all the Strike Force ball washers would be jumping up and down screaming how much better SF is. This fight pretty much confirms that SF does not have a contending heavyweight. These were supposed to be the two best and Roy Nelson would have beat them both. Horrible, horrible fight. Over-rated-reem isn’t even close to a top 5 in the UFC. Werdum, well this fight just goes to show how sickeningly over rated Fakedor was. I was half way expecting the fans to start yelling what they did back when Arlovski fought Buenetello.

“GO HOME! GO HOME! GO HOME! GO HOME! GO HOME! GO HOME! GO HOME! GO HOME! GO HOME! GO HOME! GO HOME! GO HOME!”

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JJ Says, in 6-20-2011 at 07:08:50 from 89.242.94.56    

Well – for me it didn’t make sense. Two guys who don’t want to go at it, and at some brief moments Werdum outstriking motionless and covering up Overeem. I understand how difficult it is to hit someone who constantly drops to his ass, but there were periods when Werdum was standing there and throwing punches. In my book there is no explnanation for Overeem not taking him outta there in the 2nd/3rd. I understand that he’s not Dos Santos, and that styles make fights, and all that, but Werdum was nothing special there. Just practicing ass-drop. I suspect that Reem was just gun shy and dead scared to get caught in something. This is why he was standing there like posing to leaonardo da vinci sculpture. I honestly believe that this version of Overeem will get annihilated by Dos Santos. Funnily enought there were moments where Werdum was actually outstriking him. Had he some more power behind his punches, it might have gotten really bad for Alistair. Overall dissapointment, yet I understand that Werdum’s nonsense ‘jiu-jitsu’ didn’t help here. I start to believe that just as Rogers built his career off knocking out over the hill Arlovsky, Werdum built his off catching over the hill Emelianenko, who hurt him and went carelessly balls to the wall to finish him up.

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judomaster Says, in 6-20-2011 at 09:29:33 from 82.149.23.17    

Writing the HW ranking is wery dificult at the moment. We didn’t see everything. Barnett did great experienced performance against rogers, but Kharitonov is much better striker.
Werdum is very dangerous just on the ground. Owereem-cardio? There are 2 different Pezaos….
I would put fighera into two groups:

1. Velasquez,Owereem, Silva, Fedor, JDS
2. Lesnar, Werdum, Barnett, Kharitonov, Carwin
And on the bank are: Mir and Rogers.

It all depends on fighter’s tactics, Cardio, weight and height advantage, experience and some luck.

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Xlonic Says, in 6-20-2011 at 09:31:43 from 208.184.57.84    

@Rear Naked Smoke AKA Hands of Stoned, I was thinking the same thing. Werdum is a black belt in Jiu Jitsu and for some reason never closed his guard. All Overeem had to do was sit back and stand up… I can undersatnd that if Werdum was moving his hips for a submission or a sweep, but i didnt see any of that. Overeem’s base was horrible, Werdum could have easily rolled him.

Overall, I thought this was a very entertaining fight. In my opinion Werdum got robbed. Looks like the key to beating Overeem is to mix it up instead of just banging it out with him. Overeem looks like all he trains for is the first round knock out. In my opinion, He just got exposed and will get defeated soon.

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cuervoplays Says, in 6-20-2011 at 10:39:40 from 66.206.116.3    

Rear Naked Smoked asked:”Why was he barely even bothering to close the guard? Why wasn’t he holding on for dear life? And why wasn’t he going for subs???”

Mainly because you have to open your guard to work for subs and sweeps.

I actually thought this was an entertaining fight.

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Rio_Warrior Says, in 6-20-2011 at 11:50:16 from 200.142.114.241    

Werdum got robbed. Landed way more punches and knees and had the heel bar connected at the end. MMA is not a slug fest, although all the events around are trying hard fot it to be.

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McClinchey Says, in 6-20-2011 at 11:55:34 from 173.32.106.107    

i dont get how 75% of these comments are “theyd both get destroyed in the ufc” like just because there in the ufc there instantly made better fighters or something. Styles make the fight, not the logo on the floor of the ring.

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McClinchey Says, in 6-20-2011 at 12:06:23 from 173.32.106.107    

just watched it a second time and it was just as boring this time, overeem should have been looking for more uppercuts as werdum was telegraphing the takedown, and werdum should have been deducted points for stalling.

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JJ Says, in 6-20-2011 at 12:32:04 from 84.13.25.31    

These are all opinions anyway – nothing else. The fight was terrible, even by THEIR standards, so if someone enjoyed it good for him. He can fight more stuff like that on local shows all over the world. For me it’s quite simple. I remember when I enrolled to mma school back in the day, and went there doing grappling sparring, not knowing much, but guys started to like to spar with me, because I was attacking and basically not giving two shits about being whoopped. When I got a little bit better (but never good unfortunately:)) I started to spar with the best guy, as he said that the rest is so concerned not to lose, that they are scared to do anything. They’re stalling and don’t want to attack to not expose themselves to anything. Whole sparring was for nothing – the guy wasn’t getting anything from it, and eventually changed the club.
This is exactly what I’ve seen. It was uninspire sparring session from both sides. GSP is doing it on a regular basis and that’s the reason why I stopped watching his fights (I haven’t seen Shields fight as he became to painful to watch). Same went with Mir (his Cro Cop fight was a mess). It’s not so about how good someone is, but if he is willing to fight. If the other side is not willing you should at least try to do everything you can to take him out. Werdume didn’t create any danger, yet Overeem didn’t do nothing for 90% of the fight. He didn’t even try and went on to put all the blame on Werdum, who did exactly what I thought he will.

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Ground St. Pound Says, in 6-20-2011 at 22:39:44 from 216.240.14.232    

I’m going to give Reem the whole tournament to decide on where I place him. That was shocking. He really has to let loose with his punches more. That style he used in k-1 is not going to work in mma. JDS will pepper him and Cain will pressure him from bell to bell.

He needs to adjust his striking defence and offence, and I’ll have to wait to see if he does. He hits harder than most of these guys, so if he decides to adjust, he has all the necessary tools to be the best.

But if he sticks to this style, Bigfoot might beat him, Barnett should beat him, and JDS and Cain would simply be in a different class altogether.

I’m still a huge fan, but I want to see him unload more, throw more combos, make people miss, not believe that stalking that big shot is sufficient, I mean Chuck used to do that, but he’d hit back in the meantime and avoid shots. To simply stand there and cover up until that big haymaker is not going to work in mma.

And he’ll need to double his cardio work. I don’t remember the last time I saw someone so winded during a post fight interview. “f-f-forty pounds….*puff puff*….. of….of w-w-whipasssss…… *wheeze*” – that was embarrassing.

While we’re at it, he should have never given into that showmanship hype. Adding 40 lbs is not a skill, it’s nothing to boast about as though that was his best asset.

I’m still holding the faith though. He can make those adjustments if he’s serious and I still believe he is. I’m holding the faith.

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